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We live in an older suburb that has never had HOAs in a state (Massachusetts) that rarely has them (condo boards are a different story). One thing I see, howeve
by ilamont 4y ago
We live in an older suburb that has never had HOAs in a state (Massachusetts) that rarely has them (condo boards are a different story). One thing I see, however, are new people from other parts of the country who used to live in HOAs trying to impose voluntary codes of conduct on everyone in the neighborhood as if it were an HOA. The most recent one: don’t put your trash barrel out for pickup until after 4 pm the previous day.
Related: Are HOAs and condo associations basically the same idea?
- LatteLazy 4y agoIn a condo you have communal property you all have to maintain (the elevator, the roof etc, if they break you're all screwed). HOAs usually don't have that (maybe some roads that should be adopted by the local government...). Instead their rules are specifically about lifestyle and appearances.
- bradleyankrom 4y agoIn subdivisions, they’re also responsible for maintenance of common areas like parks and other green spaces within bounds.
- LatteLazy 4y agoSorry I wasn't very clear. In a condo, you have shared assets like a roof and stairs and a front door and elevators. If they fail is a huge problem for everyone. In an HoA, you don't really share any VITAL components. You might all contribute to the upkeep of a park or a pool. But if the park or the pool are neglected, you can still live in you're home. You're actual home is self contained and yours alone.
- wintermutestwin 4y ago>maybe some roads that should be adopted by the local government... Government won't "adopt" roads behind a gate...
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- cpfohl 4y agoThis is city ordinance where I am in Massachusetts, but it’s 24h before pickup…
- tiahura 4y agoImagine people not wanting trashy neighborhoods. How bizarre.
- kortex 4y agoIt almost always starts benign: keep the bins out of sight except for trash days. But sooner or later some power-hungry busybody takes over and the next thing you know, citations are flying left and right.
- zbrozek 4y agoIt's absolutely a slippery slope. Once you've established the mechanism to harass people over trash cans, next it's the color of their house, the shape of their windows, where they park their cars on their own property, if they have a scrap wood pile, and on-and-on. And then before you know it, you have the Nextdoor-powered housing gestapo.
- akhmatova 4y agoIt's absolutely a slippery slope. Except that it isn't - and you yourself have slipped into a classic fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
- sodality2 4y agoSlippery slope is only a fallacy when there's little to no evidence that you'll fall down the slope. When there is evidence or logic showing that it truly is slippery, it's not a fallacy anymore. Even from the article you linked: > The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect Some would say it is very likely for power-tripping HOA members to continue sliding down the slope.
- tiahura 4y agoSome would say is neither evidence nor logic.
- gitfan86 4y agoIt is amazing that people have nothing better to do than be concerned about their neighbors trash can being outside at 3:00pm
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- Ntrails 4y agoThe point is usually they don't want bins outside all week long. So then you have to codify that with a "When is ok?" Generally you might go for some time the day before and some time the evening after collection. It's not that 4pm is a magic number that someone obsesses about, it's just a reasonable number given the goal of wanting the area to look pretty and you gotta pick one.
- amanaplanacanal 4y agoI have neighbors that occasionally leave their bins out all week. Thankfully I have way more important things to spend my mental energy on.
- chengiz 4y agoYou do not have to codify this at all. Your need for control over my garbage bins is why I refuse to live somewhere with a HoA.
- Ekaros 4y agoI don't see any problem with bin outside all the time. Then again the house I used to live in had fence that was about high as it. So it was hidden from the road.
- prottog 4y ago> Are HOAs and condo associations basically the same idea? They are the exact same thing, but the fact that one is for single-family homes and the other for condos makes them behave in different ways. Generally speaking, the higher the density of people, the more they are accepting of regulations on their behavior.