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All Human Conflict Is Ultimately Theological (2019)

2 points by danielam 4y ago

jleyank 4y ago
s/theological/tribal/g Then I would agree with you. “Them” is independent of religion as coreligionists easily find reasons for conflict.
082349872349872 4y ago
TFA: theologically-minded people attempting to view Enlightenment principles through their own prisms winds up being the mirror image of atheists' just-so stories concerning theology, grounded in the hypothesised interactions of savannah apes several million years ago?
eesmith 4y ago
I tried to make sense of this but failed miserably. I think it involves understanding and accepting certain religious viewpoint that wasn't explained and which seems very much tied a pro-Catholic viewpoint. Which might be expected from an essay from the McGrath Institute for Church Life[1], which refers to Pope Francis as "the Holy Father, Francis". I certainly don't see any sort of anthropological evidence, only repeated complaints about "liberalism as a regime" and "sacramental liberalism as a lived and very concrete type of political-theological order", and "Liberalism as a lived faith centers around an anti-liturgy, the Festival of Reason". FWIW, the title comes from Manning "around 1890", as reported later (in 1925) by Belloc, according to https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Edward_Manning https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Edward_Manning . > What Manning meant, Belloc explains, is "that all wars and revolutions, and all decisive struggles between parties of men arise from a difference in moral and transcendental doctrine" (p. 48), since no man, "arguing for what should be among men, but took for granted as he argued that the doctrine he consciously or unconsciously accepted was or should be a similar foundation for all mankind. Hence battle." (p. 49) [1] The McGrath Institute for Church Life "serves as a living bridge between [Notre Dame] University and the Church".
- 082349872349872 4y ago
  it's not even Catholic, at least in the post-Vatican II sense. (hint: footnote 3 is de Maistre). Probably even Ratzinger/Benedict would've considered this crank material? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre
beardyw 4y ago
The thing I hate about theologians is their habit of presenting ideas as facts. It drives me mad.

2 points by danielam 4y ago

s/theological/tribal/g Then I would agree with you. “Them” is independent of religion as coreligionists easily find reasons for conflict.

082349872349872 4y ago

TFA: theologically-minded people attempting to view Enlightenment principles through their own prisms winds up being the mirror image of atheists' just-so stories concerning theology, grounded in the hypothesised interactions of savannah apes several million years ago?

eesmith 4y ago

I tried to make sense of this but failed miserably. I think it involves understanding and accepting certain religious viewpoint that wasn't explained and which seems very much tied a pro-Catholic viewpoint. Which might be expected from an essay from the McGrath Institute for Church Life[1], which refers to Pope Francis as "the Holy Father, Francis". I certainly don't see any sort of anthropological evidence, only repeated complaints about "liberalism as a regime" and "sacramental liberalism as a lived and very concrete type of political-theological order", and "Liberalism as a lived faith centers around an anti-liturgy, the Festival of Reason". FWIW, the title comes from Manning "around 1890", as reported later (in 1925) by Belloc, according to https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Edward_Manning https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Edward_Manning . > What Manning meant, Belloc explains, is "that all wars and revolutions, and all decisive struggles between parties of men arise from a difference in moral and transcendental doctrine" (p. 48), since no man, "arguing for what should be among men, but took for granted as he argued that the doctrine he consciously or unconsciously accepted was or should be a similar foundation for all mankind. Hence battle." (p. 49) [1] The McGrath Institute for Church Life "serves as a living bridge between [Notre Dame] University and the Church".

082349872349872 4y ago
it's not even Catholic, at least in the post-Vatican II sense. (hint: footnote 3 is de Maistre). Probably even Ratzinger/Benedict would've considered this crank material? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre

beardyw 4y ago

The thing I hate about theologians is their habit of presenting ideas as facts. It drives me mad.