3 ms·

I basically never vote on anything. I dislike the psychological effect of gamification of conversation. I understand the benefits, but at Reddit, the voting sys

by Taywee 4y ago

I basically never vote on anything. I dislike the psychological effect of gamification of conversation. I understand the benefits, but at Reddit, the voting system has a distinctly addictive effect and very quickly degrades all discussion to the lowest common denominator, causing the most popular opinions and jokes to become the loudest and most repeated beyond the natural level. Every sizeable community there quickly becomes repetitive and bland as a result. I know it's partly community, but it's impossible to completely remove the way that voting-based discussion affects the behaviors of people.

jchw 4y ago
I think it's important to try to get people to not downvote or upvote things irrationally. It's better if upvote highlights higher quality posts, and downvote is reserved for posts that are either in bad faith, or simply low quality (SPAM, memes, that sort of thing.) In practice, no matter how calm you try to remain, people will get genuinely riled up over surprisingly mundane things, myself included. Voting being one of the stronger signals, people definitely jump to downvote first. It's probably good that HN blocks you from downvoting direct replies. While the way people vote can be a little annoying (nothing sucks more than being buried after genuinely trying to be reasonable) it does seem like you have to mentally detach from it a bit. There are times on here where I feel compelled to downvote someone I otherwise respect, and it's not like I hold a grudge for almost any negative interaction I've ever had here. Taking it too seriously is probably a disservice. I agree that the way voting influences discussion is annoying too. For certain topics, it makes less popular opinions less represented even if they're being reasoned about better. This is especially true when it comes to contentious topics here like anything involving iPhone, Meta, Google, etc. where there are very strong opinions that people hold very personally. Generally, HN votes in favor of cynicism, which admittedly works in my favor... But regardless, it's not all bad. Websites without downvoting wind up favoring opinions that people repeat often even if they are truly awful and unpopular. I hate to say it, because I feel like I'm truly being the cliche that I wish I wasn't, but I believe Twitter has done a lot of damage here, as it's easy to see an absolutely awful, very obviously poorly thought out emotional diatribe with 10K upvotes and think "omg! All 8 billion people on earth must actually think this way!" And it sucks, because that social validation probably does help further some really nasty discourse.
hotpotamus 4y ago
One of the more disturbing facets of the gamification of Reddit conversation to me is that the first Redditor ever to achieve 1 million karma is widely (and I think correctly) believed to be Ghislaine Maxwell.

by Taywee 4y ago

jchw 4y ago

I think it's important to try to get people to not downvote or upvote things irrationally. It's better if upvote highlights higher quality posts, and downvote is reserved for posts that are either in bad faith, or simply low quality (SPAM, memes, that sort of thing.) In practice, no matter how calm you try to remain, people will get genuinely riled up over surprisingly mundane things, myself included. Voting being one of the stronger signals, people definitely jump to downvote first. It's probably good that HN blocks you from downvoting direct replies. While the way people vote can be a little annoying (nothing sucks more than being buried after genuinely trying to be reasonable) it does seem like you have to mentally detach from it a bit. There are times on here where I feel compelled to downvote someone I otherwise respect, and it's not like I hold a grudge for almost any negative interaction I've ever had here. Taking it too seriously is probably a disservice. I agree that the way voting influences discussion is annoying too. For certain topics, it makes less popular opinions less represented even if they're being reasoned about better. This is especially true when it comes to contentious topics here like anything involving iPhone, Meta, Google, etc. where there are very strong opinions that people hold very personally. Generally, HN votes in favor of cynicism, which admittedly works in my favor... But regardless, it's not all bad. Websites without downvoting wind up favoring opinions that people repeat often even if they are truly awful and unpopular. I hate to say it, because I feel like I'm truly being the cliche that I wish I wasn't, but I believe Twitter has done a lot of damage here, as it's easy to see an absolutely awful, very obviously poorly thought out emotional diatribe with 10K upvotes and think "omg! All 8 billion people on earth must actually think this way!" And it sucks, because that social validation probably does help further some really nasty discourse.

hotpotamus 4y ago

One of the more disturbing facets of the gamification of Reddit conversation to me is that the first Redditor ever to achieve 1 million karma is widely (and I think correctly) believed to be Ghislaine Maxwell.