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I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and househo

I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and households have limited numbers of people in them. On the other hand you have a building where it is known that lots of children attend daily and is full of people who self selected for whatever reason to be around someone elses kids all day. My high school pulled two pedophiles out over the last three years alone. During my time there I witnessed a lot of behavior that went right up against the line of what is acceptable by people in adult hindsight probably shouldn't have had access to children.

greggarious 4y ago
Those types are common in K12 -- they're used to interacting with folks with less mobility (no car, no job and/or literally disabled) and exploiting that. It's my understanding my alma mater (is that the right phrasing for your former high school?) still employs at least one, but the two people who told me about her behavior don't seem interested in having her removed from her position and I can't do anything with hearsay. They often prey on kids victimized by the other set of abusers, the one's who don't abuse kids sexually, but are utter sadists who jump in with the bullies to victimize and other kids who are geeky, queer, or just plain shy they whine cries of false concern that those kids might not just commit suicide. It was a different time before Columbine -- you had more freedom, but you also would get attacked physically -- nowadays the model seems to be that folks have some kind of cold war until the other side loses their temper, and then the true abuser gets to cry victim. For context, I actually spotted one of the paraprofessionals from a school I attended in the crowd on Jan 6th -- it's been a perpetual thing for kids of a certain age when Columbine happened that folks are forever fearful of what weird hacker bois like me will do -- but never enough to lift us out of precarity that would allow us to get away from them and their terrible views, because let's be frank: having everyone who's not in the Christian right from my shitty ass township move to Portland or Brooklyn or whatever isn't a sustainable life strategy :-)
mschuster91 4y ago
> I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and households have limited numbers of people in them. At least in Germany, evidence proves otherwise - almost half the cases in Germany are made by fathers, ten percent mothers, and of the rest a lot of different other degrees of relatives [1]. Preventing sexual abuse must focus on families, because that is where most shit happens. As for pedophiles in schools, church and sports clubs: yes, these do exist, but are rare in numbers, and the same logic from my first point above applies: When children don't know that what they experience is not normal and that they can report this behavior, they won't. [1] https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/sexueller-missbrauch-familie-studie-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/sexueller-missbrauch...
- willcipriano 4y ago
  I don't read German but I used biological fathers for a reason, does your data include stepfathers? I am familiar with studies like these[0] that indicates a child's lowest risk of abuse is in a household with both biological mother and father, lower even than biological mother alone. [0]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11675811/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11675811/ [0-2]https://www.center4research.org/child-abuse-father-figures-kind-families-safest-grow/ https://www.center4research.org/child-abuse-father-figures-k...
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > I don't read German but I used biological fathers for a reason, does your data include stepfathers? It does, yes, but it doesn't matter. Abuse incidence from teachers and caretakers is ridiculously low, the utter majority of abuse comes from family members and so that is where efforts should be focused.

greggarious 4y ago

Those types are common in K12 -- they're used to interacting with folks with less mobility (no car, no job and/or literally disabled) and exploiting that. It's my understanding my alma mater (is that the right phrasing for your former high school?) still employs at least one, but the two people who told me about her behavior don't seem interested in having her removed from her position and I can't do anything with hearsay. They often prey on kids victimized by the other set of abusers, the one's who don't abuse kids sexually, but are utter sadists who jump in with the bullies to victimize and other kids who are geeky, queer, or just plain shy they whine cries of false concern that those kids might not just commit suicide. It was a different time before Columbine -- you had more freedom, but you also would get attacked physically -- nowadays the model seems to be that folks have some kind of cold war until the other side loses their temper, and then the true abuser gets to cry victim. For context, I actually spotted one of the paraprofessionals from a school I attended in the crowd on Jan 6th -- it's been a perpetual thing for kids of a certain age when Columbine happened that folks are forever fearful of what weird hacker bois like me will do -- but never enough to lift us out of precarity that would allow us to get away from them and their terrible views, because let's be frank: having everyone who's not in the Christian right from my shitty ass township move to Portland or Brooklyn or whatever isn't a sustainable life strategy :-)

mschuster91 4y ago

> I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and households have limited numbers of people in them. At least in Germany, evidence proves otherwise - almost half the cases in Germany are made by fathers, ten percent mothers, and of the rest a lot of different other degrees of relatives [1]. Preventing sexual abuse must focus on families, because that is where most shit happens. As for pedophiles in schools, church and sports clubs: yes, these do exist, but are rare in numbers, and the same logic from my first point above applies: When children don't know that what they experience is not normal and that they can report this behavior, they won't. [1] https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/sexueller-missbrauch-familie-studie-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/sexueller-missbrauch...

willcipriano 4y ago
I don't read German but I used biological fathers for a reason, does your data include stepfathers? I am familiar with studies like these[0] that indicates a child's lowest risk of abuse is in a household with both biological mother and father, lower even than biological mother alone. [0]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11675811/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11675811/ [0-2]https://www.center4research.org/child-abuse-father-figures-kind-families-safest-grow/ https://www.center4research.org/child-abuse-father-figures-k...
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > I don't read German but I used biological fathers for a reason, does your data include stepfathers? It does, yes, but it doesn't matter. Abuse incidence from teachers and caretakers is ridiculously low, the utter majority of abuse comes from family members and so that is where efforts should be focused.