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There would have to be a lot of conspirators involved, that first decided to plant child pornography on this guy's encrypted hard disks and his laptop, and then

There would have to be a lot of conspirators involved, that first decided to plant child pornography on this guy's encrypted hard disks and his laptop, and then somehow coerced him into defending himself with the proclamation that it's a 'victimless crime'. Given how unlikely this is, it's almost certainly the case that he is a pedophile who has trafficked in child pornography with other pedophiles. I don't know about you, but my sympathy level for such people is approximately zero.

vintermann 4y ago
No, it would not. Odds are there is something on your hard disk right now that could be classified as child porn, if the accuser was motivated enough. And imagine you wouldn't get to defend yourself, and no one would speak up and say "Hey come on, obviously that's not remotely CSAM" because they hated you for being a "traitor". It doesn't take a conspiracy at all, all it takes is a handful of people willing to say "So what, I don't care what happens to such people". Which, you'll notice, is what you're saying right now.
- dontrip 4y ago
  > No, it would not. Odds are there is something on your hard disk right now that could be classified as child porn, if the accuser was motivated enough. Speak for yourself, there's absolutely nothing in my files that could even marginally be classified as child pornography. I would think this is the same for most people. With this guy, investigators found hundreds of thousands of photos and videos of child sexual abuse on his disks. And then he tried to defend himself by claiming it's a victimless crime. I know people like a good conspiracy theory, especially if it involves the government, but this isn't it.
  - vintermann 4y ago
    > there's absolutely nothing in my files that could even marginally be classified as child pornography You're going to run into your Cardinal Richelieu one day, person who signed up to HN two hours ago in order to defend the honour of the CIA.
    - dontrip 4y ago
      Announcing what you desire to be true does not make it true.
      - vintermann 4y ago
        No, sure. Maybe the CIA won't betray you. I mean, they gain people's trust in order to betray it all the time - that's what spies do - but maybe your trust in them won't be betrayed.
  - throwawy6623 4y ago
    > Speak for yourself, there's absolutely nothing in my files that could even marginally be classified as child pornography. I would think this is the same for most people. Apparently there's some in the bitcoin blockchain. Never went looking for it personally, but I assume it's encoded the same way as the image of the bitcoin logo in there.
- rocket_surgeron 4y ago
  >Odds are there is something on your hard disk right now that could be classified as child porn, if the accuser was motivated enough. This sounds like projection. Not everyone blunders through life with a massive stash of questionable pornography. The criteria for determining what is and is not child pornography are quite clear: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A
  - ilikecode 4y ago
    It does sound like projection. Your link comes down to depiction of “a minor”. How does one prove an image is an 18 year old, even if they are, and not 1 day younger? It’s unquestionable for children but not so clear near the age of 18. I think that is the point of the poster, that it’s really not clear on all porn what age the people are. Even with disclaimers they could be lies.
    - dontrip 4y ago
      Please be aware that some of us actually don't amass piles of erotica in our alone time, as if some sort of pornsick squirrel. The most reliable way of not getting caught out storing dodgy images on your computer is to not procure them in the first place. And, it's better for keeping a healthy and well-adjusted attitude towards sexual desire, rather than being trained on whatever pornographers want to you see. From an ethical point of view, not being complicit in the sexual abuse that is so rife in the porn industry is also a big plus.
      - lesuorac 4y ago
        Have you been to any art museums? Holy cow did previous generations / civilizations love to collect lewd sculptures and paintings.
        rocket_surgeron 4y ago
    - 4y ago

vintermann 4y ago

No, it would not. Odds are there is something on your hard disk right now that could be classified as child porn, if the accuser was motivated enough. And imagine you wouldn't get to defend yourself, and no one would speak up and say "Hey come on, obviously that's not remotely CSAM" because they hated you for being a "traitor". It doesn't take a conspiracy at all, all it takes is a handful of people willing to say "So what, I don't care what happens to such people". Which, you'll notice, is what you're saying right now.

dontrip 4y ago
> No, it would not. Odds are there is something on your hard disk right now that could be classified as child porn, if the accuser was motivated enough. Speak for yourself, there's absolutely nothing in my files that could even marginally be classified as child pornography. I would think this is the same for most people. With this guy, investigators found hundreds of thousands of photos and videos of child sexual abuse on his disks. And then he tried to defend himself by claiming it's a victimless crime. I know people like a good conspiracy theory, especially if it involves the government, but this isn't it.
- vintermann 4y ago
  > there's absolutely nothing in my files that could even marginally be classified as child pornography You're going to run into your Cardinal Richelieu one day, person who signed up to HN two hours ago in order to defend the honour of the CIA.
  - dontrip 4y ago
    Announcing what you desire to be true does not make it true.
    - vintermann 4y ago
      No, sure. Maybe the CIA won't betray you. I mean, they gain people's trust in order to betray it all the time - that's what spies do - but maybe your trust in them won't be betrayed.
- throwawy6623 4y ago
  > Speak for yourself, there's absolutely nothing in my files that could even marginally be classified as child pornography. I would think this is the same for most people. Apparently there's some in the bitcoin blockchain. Never went looking for it personally, but I assume it's encoded the same way as the image of the bitcoin logo in there.
rocket_surgeron 4y ago
>Odds are there is something on your hard disk right now that could be classified as child porn, if the accuser was motivated enough. This sounds like projection. Not everyone blunders through life with a massive stash of questionable pornography. The criteria for determining what is and is not child pornography are quite clear: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A
- ilikecode 4y ago
  It does sound like projection. Your link comes down to depiction of “a minor”. How does one prove an image is an 18 year old, even if they are, and not 1 day younger? It’s unquestionable for children but not so clear near the age of 18. I think that is the point of the poster, that it’s really not clear on all porn what age the people are. Even with disclaimers they could be lies.
  - dontrip 4y ago
    Please be aware that some of us actually don't amass piles of erotica in our alone time, as if some sort of pornsick squirrel. The most reliable way of not getting caught out storing dodgy images on your computer is to not procure them in the first place. And, it's better for keeping a healthy and well-adjusted attitude towards sexual desire, rather than being trained on whatever pornographers want to you see. From an ethical point of view, not being complicit in the sexual abuse that is so rife in the porn industry is also a big plus.
    - lesuorac 4y ago
      Have you been to any art museums? Holy cow did previous generations / civilizations love to collect lewd sculptures and paintings.
      - rocket_surgeron 4y ago
  - 4y ago