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The speculative adventure of this industry full of scams has been hilarious to watch, and once hard regulations kick in all of it will go to zero. There is no

The speculative adventure of this industry full of scams has been hilarious to watch, and once hard regulations kick in all of it will go to zero. There is no legitimate real world use case for all of this. Full stop.

dmantis 4y ago
Good luck safely store your money being Russian or Iranian (or other citizen of any fascist regime who is considered not a human by both his own country and westerns). Not a legitimate case, I suppose.
neb_b 4y ago
What about instantly sending money to Africa very cheaply?
- colesantiago 4y ago
  Why do you need crypto to send money to Africa when Wise and Wave exists for this for less fees?
  - neb_b 4y ago
    Using the lightning network is faster and cheaper
    - colesantiago 4y ago
      The lightning network doesn't work at all and is known to be centralised anyway, it's only cheap because nobody is using it. There isn't any point in the lightning network when the current financial system works better without people losing their life savings. Mpesa, UPI and Pix work way better than whatever broken system the bitcoin / lightning network has.
      - robcohen 4y ago
        > nobody is using it 87M in liquidity on network, 15k active channels, mmmkay https://1ml.com/ https://1ml.com/
      - andirk 4y ago
        There are many avenues to transact moneys. Crypto is one of them. It has a handful of really good use cases. I agree that there are often (usually?) better ways, but cryptographic blockchains that house value to the tune of billions of USD and never goes down or breaks is quite powerful and should be respected as such rather than being seen as purely inferior.
andirk 4y ago
I use bitcoin to buy things all the time. Full stop. I've made a bunch of money from that investment too. Full stop. Having a currency that is not bound to a state can very possibly be a good thing. Full stop. Scams exist in many industries and in crypto it is rampant due to its lax regulations but that doesn't mean the industry is a scam by definition. Full stop. I wonder if this is what telegrams read like.

dmantis 4y ago

Good luck safely store your money being Russian or Iranian (or other citizen of any fascist regime who is considered not a human by both his own country and westerns). Not a legitimate case, I suppose.

neb_b 4y ago

What about instantly sending money to Africa very cheaply?

colesantiago 4y ago
Why do you need crypto to send money to Africa when Wise and Wave exists for this for less fees?
- neb_b 4y ago
  Using the lightning network is faster and cheaper
  - colesantiago 4y ago
    The lightning network doesn't work at all and is known to be centralised anyway, it's only cheap because nobody is using it. There isn't any point in the lightning network when the current financial system works better without people losing their life savings. Mpesa, UPI and Pix work way better than whatever broken system the bitcoin / lightning network has.
    - robcohen 4y ago
      > nobody is using it 87M in liquidity on network, 15k active channels, mmmkay https://1ml.com/ https://1ml.com/
    - andirk 4y ago
      There are many avenues to transact moneys. Crypto is one of them. It has a handful of really good use cases. I agree that there are often (usually?) better ways, but cryptographic blockchains that house value to the tune of billions of USD and never goes down or breaks is quite powerful and should be respected as such rather than being seen as purely inferior.

andirk 4y ago

I use bitcoin to buy things all the time. Full stop. I've made a bunch of money from that investment too. Full stop. Having a currency that is not bound to a state can very possibly be a good thing. Full stop. Scams exist in many industries and in crypto it is rampant due to its lax regulations but that doesn't mean the industry is a scam by definition. Full stop. I wonder if this is what telegrams read like.