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I think the real problem is not Musk's antics, but laws that allow something like that to happen in the first place. This situation is just a symptom of a deep

I think the real problem is not Musk's antics, but laws that allow something like that to happen in the first place. This situation is just a symptom of a deeper problem.

carlmr 4y ago
Conspiracy theory: Musk is trying to play the Dickensian villain in order to convince Americans to finally fight for their rights in the workplace. But America just accepts all the ridiculousness so he pushes further and further. Making more and more ridiculous demands.
CommanderData 4y ago
People argue against themselves and push a broken narrative that work laws and regulation stifles growth. We're seeing this being pushed by the UK media at the moment regarding our unions.
rhaway84773 4y ago
A society where laws tried to cover every edge case would be one that’s extremely difficult to navigate. Advanced societies tend to work well because people tend not to push laws to their limits. They try and follow some basic principles even if it’s not required by the law because people understand it’s far better for everyone to follow making govt regulation unnecessary. A trivial example of this is that as far as I’m aware there are no laws against cutting lines anywhere in the world. And yet nearly everyone in richer countries I’ve been too tend to follow those rules, whereas in poorer countries they don’t (at the very least, in most poorer countries you will have a large number of VIPs who will cut to the front of the line immediately). If you’re a sociopath who is constantly looking to exploit other people’s decency, and don’t care that in most cases they will Just give you a dirty look, You could spend the rest of your life cutting to the front of the line in the US and never lose anything for it. And eventually people would get tired and ask for it to be regulated. That would be a massive net loss for society overall. Regulations usually carry significant cost. So even though the benefit may outweigh the cost, the much superior situation was when society in general did the “right thing” without having to impose the cost of regulation.
- felix_n 4y ago
  You're probably not wrong, I was waiting in line at a Costco in New Jersey one time, and some beefcake and his girlfriend tried cutting in line. There was an altercation almost immediately, verbal at first, then the beefcake shoved someone and ended up getting dragged outside and having the living shit kicked out of him by four bland looking suburban dads while his girlfriend was screaming and trying to use her phone (she had kind of insane fake nails). It was one of weirdest things I've ever witnessed.
- guax 4y ago
  I would like to point to a small counter example for this: the whole western Europe.
- Archipelagia 4y ago
  > A society where laws tried to cover every edge case would be one that’s extremely difficult to navigate. Agreed. At the same time though, I think worker protection is an area where US could benefit a lot from extra laws – obviously there's a point where too much would be suffocating, but it's not at that point yet.
- jasonhansel 4y ago
  The answer is to make it easier to unionize. Then the law won't need to cover every edge case; instead, those details will be negotiated as part of the union contract.
ratg13 4y ago
He’s signaling that he’s deployed anti-leaking software and sees himself something of a KGB mastermind. He wants to try and make these less binding agreements more binding so he can find a way to inflict punishment on anyone who disagrees with him. AKA neo-conservative ‘freedom’

I think the real problem is not Musk's antics, but laws that allow something like that to happen in the first place. This situation is just a symptom of a deeper problem.

carlmr 4y ago

Conspiracy theory: Musk is trying to play the Dickensian villain in order to convince Americans to finally fight for their rights in the workplace. But America just accepts all the ridiculousness so he pushes further and further. Making more and more ridiculous demands.

CommanderData 4y ago

People argue against themselves and push a broken narrative that work laws and regulation stifles growth. We're seeing this being pushed by the UK media at the moment regarding our unions.

rhaway84773 4y ago

A society where laws tried to cover every edge case would be one that’s extremely difficult to navigate. Advanced societies tend to work well because people tend not to push laws to their limits. They try and follow some basic principles even if it’s not required by the law because people understand it’s far better for everyone to follow making govt regulation unnecessary. A trivial example of this is that as far as I’m aware there are no laws against cutting lines anywhere in the world. And yet nearly everyone in richer countries I’ve been too tend to follow those rules, whereas in poorer countries they don’t (at the very least, in most poorer countries you will have a large number of VIPs who will cut to the front of the line immediately). If you’re a sociopath who is constantly looking to exploit other people’s decency, and don’t care that in most cases they will Just give you a dirty look, You could spend the rest of your life cutting to the front of the line in the US and never lose anything for it. And eventually people would get tired and ask for it to be regulated. That would be a massive net loss for society overall. Regulations usually carry significant cost. So even though the benefit may outweigh the cost, the much superior situation was when society in general did the “right thing” without having to impose the cost of regulation.

felix_n 4y ago
You're probably not wrong, I was waiting in line at a Costco in New Jersey one time, and some beefcake and his girlfriend tried cutting in line. There was an altercation almost immediately, verbal at first, then the beefcake shoved someone and ended up getting dragged outside and having the living shit kicked out of him by four bland looking suburban dads while his girlfriend was screaming and trying to use her phone (she had kind of insane fake nails). It was one of weirdest things I've ever witnessed.
guax 4y ago
I would like to point to a small counter example for this: the whole western Europe.
Archipelagia 4y ago
> A society where laws tried to cover every edge case would be one that’s extremely difficult to navigate. Agreed. At the same time though, I think worker protection is an area where US could benefit a lot from extra laws – obviously there's a point where too much would be suffocating, but it's not at that point yet.
jasonhansel 4y ago
The answer is to make it easier to unionize. Then the law won't need to cover every edge case; instead, those details will be negotiated as part of the union contract.

ratg13 4y ago

He’s signaling that he’s deployed anti-leaking software and sees himself something of a KGB mastermind. He wants to try and make these less binding agreements more binding so he can find a way to inflict punishment on anyone who disagrees with him. AKA neo-conservative ‘freedom’