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Because people's computers belong to them, they have the right to use them in their own native language and character set. If we look at the problem from an eve

Because people's computers belong to them, they have the right to use them in their own native language and character set. If we look at the problem from an even larger distance, it's people's right to their culture or self-expression. If these are not reasonable rights people should have then what? In the end the anglosphere should never be able to dictate the usable charset on the entire internet. That'd be utter nonsense.

burnished 4y ago
I feel like your moral outrage has sort of blinded you, did you read TFA? Talking about it in terms of rights is silly because 1) even if we agreed that it was a right it’s not something that’s being withheld, it is instead a problem no one has yet been able to solve and 2) in terms of rights everyone is already free to program in any language they want, though their choice of encoding may make interoperability with existing systems difficult
- Symbiote 4y ago
  I think this thread isn't discussing the article, but the borderline-flamebait comment by p-e-w that "IDNs should have never happened". I find that suggestion outrageous.
  - burnished 4y ago
    Yeah, I think you’ve identified the disconnect, thank you. I was definitely more zoomed in on the rights bit. To the topic at hand, why is that outrageous/flame bait? They seem to have pretty sane justifications, whereas most of the rebuttals seem to be focused on presumption of personal details. Not that I expect you to be immediately swayed or anything, but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t categorize that as disagreement rather than flame bait (am I missing some context?)
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      The purpose of IDNs is to allow people to use the Internet in their local language. p-e-w's comment is uncompromising and dismissive. It doesn't seek to find solutions, but ridicules the very idea of someone wanting to use a language other than English in source code and domains. When challenged, they have pushed the conversation towards source code, a tangent they introduced, rather than IDNs which most of the discussion is focussed on. The HN guidelines say: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. > Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. The tone of the comment could hardly be less provocative. (A supermarket receipt on my desk just caught my eye. It says "se åbningstider på www.føtex.dk" at the top.)
  - bakugo 4y ago
    Just because you personally disagree with it and dismiss all arguments presented based on your feelings doesn't mean it's "flamebait".
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      (I replied to the sibling comment.)

burnished 4y ago

I feel like your moral outrage has sort of blinded you, did you read TFA? Talking about it in terms of rights is silly because 1) even if we agreed that it was a right it’s not something that’s being withheld, it is instead a problem no one has yet been able to solve and 2) in terms of rights everyone is already free to program in any language they want, though their choice of encoding may make interoperability with existing systems difficult

Symbiote 4y ago
I think this thread isn't discussing the article, but the borderline-flamebait comment by p-e-w that "IDNs should have never happened". I find that suggestion outrageous.
- burnished 4y ago
  Yeah, I think you’ve identified the disconnect, thank you. I was definitely more zoomed in on the rights bit. To the topic at hand, why is that outrageous/flame bait? They seem to have pretty sane justifications, whereas most of the rebuttals seem to be focused on presumption of personal details. Not that I expect you to be immediately swayed or anything, but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t categorize that as disagreement rather than flame bait (am I missing some context?)
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    The purpose of IDNs is to allow people to use the Internet in their local language. p-e-w's comment is uncompromising and dismissive. It doesn't seek to find solutions, but ridicules the very idea of someone wanting to use a language other than English in source code and domains. When challenged, they have pushed the conversation towards source code, a tangent they introduced, rather than IDNs which most of the discussion is focussed on. The HN guidelines say: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. > Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. The tone of the comment could hardly be less provocative. (A supermarket receipt on my desk just caught my eye. It says "se åbningstider på www.føtex.dk" at the top.)
- bakugo 4y ago
  Just because you personally disagree with it and dismiss all arguments presented based on your feelings doesn't mean it's "flamebait".
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    (I replied to the sibling comment.)