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Nobody wants to eat artificial meat, but everybody want some other group to eat it. Meat eaters want vegans to eat this thing instead of soy meat. Vegans want

by dvh 4y ago

Nobody wants to eat artificial meat, but everybody want some other group to eat it. Meat eaters want vegans to eat this thing instead of soy meat. Vegans wants meat eaters to eat this thing to prevent animal harm. Rich people want poor people to eat this instead of insects. And poor people want rich people to eat this as a punishment.

MaxDPS 4y ago
As a meat eater, I hope this succeeds because I think doing without the whole factory farming stuff would be pretty cool.
diordiderot 4y ago
I want to eat artificial meat! Maybe not the initial product, but I imagine after a few iterations I'd bet they'll be growing freaking wagyu,iberco, and sushi grade blue fin for much cheaper than the real deal
niek_pas 4y ago
I don’t think this is true? Anecdotal (would love to see actual studies) but many of my friends and I are vegetarian, and we’d jump at the chance to try this. I miss meat.
lota-putty 4y ago
I like that train of thought. As a vegetarian in childhood, weekly meat-eater in 20's, vegan over a decade since 30th birthday; I don't want anybody to eat artificial/lab-grown meat. They rather eat home-grown animals instead.
lIl-IIIl 4y ago
Many people are not vegetarian because being vegetarian can be hard (can't eat favorite family recipes, order favorite food at restaurants, etc). Anything that makes it easier can cause people to switch. "Meat eaters want vegans to eat this thing instead of soy meat" - why would meat eaters care about what vegans eat?
- alexvoda 4y ago
  > "Meat eaters want vegans to eat this thing instead of soy meat" - why would meat eaters care about what vegans eat? I did a double take at that too. But after a bit of thought, I think it might actually be true. I'd like to hear the original argument.
- noisem4ker 4y ago
  Maybe so that they conform to eating meat, and stop introducing surrogates and meat-free variations of established, traditional, culturally sacred dishes. This tends to upset carnivores, from my observations.
  - darkarmani 4y ago
    > Maybe so that they conform to eating meat, I don't know anyone that cares what vegans are eating.
n4r9 4y ago
I eat meat a couple of times per week. If this is comparable to actual meat in terms of texture, flavour, nutrition, and price, I may drop to around once or twice per year. This feels safer and more environmentally friendly.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  > nutrition If they can make nutritious meat they can also make nutritious pills or jelly, and the smaller form factors will have many more advantages (durability, no cooking etc) In that respect I'd expect artificial meat to be mostly a ceremonial and/or tasting experience. Which is fine, but is a much narrower target than trying yo cover everything meat does today.
  - n4r9 4y ago
    If artificial meat is to be advertised as a meat replacement, it ought to have similar nutritional qualities to real meat. Otherwise we're either misleading consumers into thinking they're getting benefits that they're not, or creating mental effort for them as they now have to eat twice to get the same total benefit. The latter is something vegans and vegetarians already have to do; it's tricky to get enough protein and iron in a veggie diet while keeping calories low. If a single product can reduce that mental effort, that's great.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      I'd see it in the same framing as artificial sweetners, margarine and other "ersatz" peoducts: they don't need and might not want to have exactly the same properties as what they replace. In practice less caloric meat, or in general meat that tastes good but has little impact on someone's diet in good or bad ways would be a fantastic product in itself.
      - n4r9 4y ago
        I do see what you're saying but there's a crucial difference between sugar and meat. Sugar gives almost no marginal nutritional gain for a modern human. It can be substituted with something "empty" without thinking about it. If you do the same with meat, you have to get the nutrition from somewhere else. Also, meat is generally a healthy food source. In terms of protein per calorie, chicken breast and steak are up with with pure protein shakes.
nodoodles 4y ago
One vote to disagree as a middle class happy Beyond meat consumer (and unhappy investor..) -- building a nice burger is a satisfying experience, even more without having to worry about animal welfare, etc
err4nt 4y ago
I'll eat it! I was just telling my wife that when my dad was early in his career he had to install telecommunications lines in every office and factory and slaughterhouse and place of business you can imagine. After having seen the inside of slaughterhouses, my dad no longer ate hot dogs except from 1 brand only. So growing up whenever we had hot dogs, it was that one brand. But now with veggie dogs, I don't have to worry about it being lips and tips and other trimmings swept up off the floor, whatever it is, and whatever it tastes like are clean and worry-free. So whether you like hot dogs or not, everybody ought to be able to get into some veggie dogs!
wiseleo 4y ago
I tasted artificial chicken at Panda Express. It's pretty good. Early adopting is fun. ;)

by dvh 4y ago

MaxDPS 4y ago

As a meat eater, I hope this succeeds because I think doing without the whole factory farming stuff would be pretty cool.

diordiderot 4y ago

I want to eat artificial meat! Maybe not the initial product, but I imagine after a few iterations I'd bet they'll be growing freaking wagyu,iberco, and sushi grade blue fin for much cheaper than the real deal

niek_pas 4y ago

I don’t think this is true? Anecdotal (would love to see actual studies) but many of my friends and I are vegetarian, and we’d jump at the chance to try this. I miss meat.

lota-putty 4y ago

I like that train of thought. As a vegetarian in childhood, weekly meat-eater in 20's, vegan over a decade since 30th birthday; I don't want anybody to eat artificial/lab-grown meat. They rather eat home-grown animals instead.

lIl-IIIl 4y ago

Many people are not vegetarian because being vegetarian can be hard (can't eat favorite family recipes, order favorite food at restaurants, etc). Anything that makes it easier can cause people to switch. "Meat eaters want vegans to eat this thing instead of soy meat" - why would meat eaters care about what vegans eat?

alexvoda 4y ago
> "Meat eaters want vegans to eat this thing instead of soy meat" - why would meat eaters care about what vegans eat? I did a double take at that too. But after a bit of thought, I think it might actually be true. I'd like to hear the original argument.
noisem4ker 4y ago
Maybe so that they conform to eating meat, and stop introducing surrogates and meat-free variations of established, traditional, culturally sacred dishes. This tends to upset carnivores, from my observations.
- darkarmani 4y ago
  > Maybe so that they conform to eating meat, I don't know anyone that cares what vegans are eating.

n4r9 4y ago

I eat meat a couple of times per week. If this is comparable to actual meat in terms of texture, flavour, nutrition, and price, I may drop to around once or twice per year. This feels safer and more environmentally friendly.

makeitdouble 4y ago
> nutrition If they can make nutritious meat they can also make nutritious pills or jelly, and the smaller form factors will have many more advantages (durability, no cooking etc) In that respect I'd expect artificial meat to be mostly a ceremonial and/or tasting experience. Which is fine, but is a much narrower target than trying yo cover everything meat does today.
- n4r9 4y ago
  If artificial meat is to be advertised as a meat replacement, it ought to have similar nutritional qualities to real meat. Otherwise we're either misleading consumers into thinking they're getting benefits that they're not, or creating mental effort for them as they now have to eat twice to get the same total benefit. The latter is something vegans and vegetarians already have to do; it's tricky to get enough protein and iron in a veggie diet while keeping calories low. If a single product can reduce that mental effort, that's great.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    I'd see it in the same framing as artificial sweetners, margarine and other "ersatz" peoducts: they don't need and might not want to have exactly the same properties as what they replace. In practice less caloric meat, or in general meat that tastes good but has little impact on someone's diet in good or bad ways would be a fantastic product in itself.
    - n4r9 4y ago
      I do see what you're saying but there's a crucial difference between sugar and meat. Sugar gives almost no marginal nutritional gain for a modern human. It can be substituted with something "empty" without thinking about it. If you do the same with meat, you have to get the nutrition from somewhere else. Also, meat is generally a healthy food source. In terms of protein per calorie, chicken breast and steak are up with with pure protein shakes.

nodoodles 4y ago

One vote to disagree as a middle class happy Beyond meat consumer (and unhappy investor..) -- building a nice burger is a satisfying experience, even more without having to worry about animal welfare, etc

err4nt 4y ago

I'll eat it! I was just telling my wife that when my dad was early in his career he had to install telecommunications lines in every office and factory and slaughterhouse and place of business you can imagine. After having seen the inside of slaughterhouses, my dad no longer ate hot dogs except from 1 brand only. So growing up whenever we had hot dogs, it was that one brand. But now with veggie dogs, I don't have to worry about it being lips and tips and other trimmings swept up off the floor, whatever it is, and whatever it tastes like are clean and worry-free. So whether you like hot dogs or not, everybody ought to be able to get into some veggie dogs!

wiseleo 4y ago

I tasted artificial chicken at Panda Express. It's pretty good. Early adopting is fun. ;)