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He was known to be edgy, anger easily, and tended toward crackpot behavior. From all outward appearances, the CIA wants to break him. This would not seem unusu

He was known to be edgy, anger easily, and tended toward crackpot behavior. From all outward appearances, the CIA wants to break him. This would not seem unusual for them. Wikipedia has a barebones overview. I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

_cenw 4y ago
>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. 'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'. Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  It is a legitimate defense strategy - and one that actually has valid points, at least for stuff like anime "CSAM". IMO, societies should focus more on preventing the creation of real-life CSAM: - teach children from a young age in an appropriate way about sex including what the names of genitalia are, so that in a court examination you don't have to argue about what "down there" means, and consent. Children can only report abuse if they have a third party telling them that what they experience is not normal. - provide infrastructure for potential pedophiles to get help. In Germany, we have the campaign "Kein Täter werden" since 2005 and oh boy, that was a mess to get started due to the (justified) public stigma against pedophiles, but it ended up preventing thousands of crimes [1]. - for the US: ban home-schooling and force all children through the public or accredited private school system so that (religious) cults can't go and indoctrinate young children into being breeding mares or abuse them with virtual impunity - provide teachers with enough resources (time and training) that they can spot signs of abuse (and not just sexual, but also physical and emotional!) early on - provide get-help infrastructure nationwide: anonymous phone help lines, "safe houses" for people of all genders and ages attempting to flee domestic violence and sexual abuse, easy and equitable access to restraining orders, provide CPS with enough financial and staff resources to do their job properly... Unfortunately, the first three measures are highly politically charged and so won't pass, and the last one is expensive so it won't pass either, and as a result children all over the country end up being abused with no way of getting help or worse, not even knowing that they could get help. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kein_T%C3%A4ter_werden#Ergebnisse https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kein_T%C3%A4ter_werden#Ergebni...
  - _cenw 4y ago
    Ah, Beier's project. Director of the one and only known insitute to make trans people in Germany going through TSG (80's law to allow for name change / gender marker change) take a visual pedophile test. (Why? I'm presuming he just likes to acrew more data, no other reason in particular) I listened to a few public talks and... let's say I have some red flags I'd raise. If all you have is a hammer...
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and households have limited numbers of people in them. On the other hand you have a building where it is known that lots of children attend daily and is full of people who self selected for whatever reason to be around someone elses kids all day. My high school pulled two pedophiles out over the last three years alone. During my time there I witnessed a lot of behavior that went right up against the line of what is acceptable by people in adult hindsight probably shouldn't have had access to children.
    - greggarious 4y ago
      Those types are common in K12 -- they're used to interacting with folks with less mobility (no car, no job and/or literally disabled) and exploiting that. It's my understanding my alma mater (is that the right phrasing for your former high school?) still employs at least one, but the two people who told me about her behavior don't seem interested in having her removed from her position and I can't do anything with hearsay. They often prey on kids victimized by the other set of abusers, the one's who don't abuse kids sexually, but are utter sadists who jump in with the bullies to victimize and other kids who are geeky, queer, or just plain shy they whine cries of false concern that those kids might not just commit suicide. It was a different time before Columbine -- you had more freedom, but you also would get attacked physically -- nowadays the model seems to be that folks have some kind of cold war until the other side loses their temper, and then the true abuser gets to cry victim. For context, I actually spotted one of the paraprofessionals from a school I attended in the crowd on Jan 6th -- it's been a perpetual thing for kids of a certain age when Columbine happened that folks are forever fearful of what weird hacker bois like me will do -- but never enough to lift us out of precarity that would allow us to get away from them and their terrible views, because let's be frank: having everyone who's not in the Christian right from my shitty ass township move to Portland or Brooklyn or whatever isn't a sustainable life strategy :-)
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  That one seemed odd to me, what I'm wondering if it's hentai images. I can't think of any other way for it to be a victimless crime.
greggarious 4y ago
>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. Excuse me, but what the fuck kind of logic is that? Do you have a citation? Maybe back in the days of WinMX, Kazaa, and anonymous FTP servers folks would abuse the spirit of the strict liability nature of CSAM paired with the fact it's difficult to truly erase terrible things you accidentally encounter... but nowadays it's REALLY easy to stick to sources of porn that are legal. But to be clear... that's not at all what happened here. He didn't spider file sharing sites and get more than he bargained for or something mislabeled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte#Sex_crimes_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte#Sex_crimes_alle... >the government found that Schulte had "neatly organized" this material "according to his preferences, and stored it for a period of years."[31] In the government's view, there was "no set of circumstances that can confidently assure the Court that he's not going to continue to try to download child pornography, encourage others to download it and share it and just generally engage in very dangerous sexual activity."... When the government searched Schulte's phone, they found a photograph taken inside the bathroom of his old home.[35] The picture showed an unconscious woman whose underwear had been removed and whose genitals were being touched. She was not publicly named, but was identified as Schulte's roommate at the time. She informed investigators that she passed out one night with no memory of what happened, and that the photograph was not consensual.[2] She was unable to identify the person who took the picture and molested her, prosecutors in Loudoun County said an analysis of Schulte's hands confirmed they were his hands in the picture. When you recite talking points like that, you're telling on yourself because I assure you most hackers are not running around downloading CSAM and uploading (And we call it "child sex abuse material", not child porn, to emphasize the folks are victims of abuse... children cannot consent, full stop, and you tell on yourself when you want to ride the lightning of when that consent should start in your porn habits.)

_cenw 4y ago

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. 'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'. Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.

mschuster91 4y ago
It is a legitimate defense strategy - and one that actually has valid points, at least for stuff like anime "CSAM". IMO, societies should focus more on preventing the creation of real-life CSAM: - teach children from a young age in an appropriate way about sex including what the names of genitalia are, so that in a court examination you don't have to argue about what "down there" means, and consent. Children can only report abuse if they have a third party telling them that what they experience is not normal. - provide infrastructure for potential pedophiles to get help. In Germany, we have the campaign "Kein Täter werden" since 2005 and oh boy, that was a mess to get started due to the (justified) public stigma against pedophiles, but it ended up preventing thousands of crimes [1]. - for the US: ban home-schooling and force all children through the public or accredited private school system so that (religious) cults can't go and indoctrinate young children into being breeding mares or abuse them with virtual impunity - provide teachers with enough resources (time and training) that they can spot signs of abuse (and not just sexual, but also physical and emotional!) early on - provide get-help infrastructure nationwide: anonymous phone help lines, "safe houses" for people of all genders and ages attempting to flee domestic violence and sexual abuse, easy and equitable access to restraining orders, provide CPS with enough financial and staff resources to do their job properly... Unfortunately, the first three measures are highly politically charged and so won't pass, and the last one is expensive so it won't pass either, and as a result children all over the country end up being abused with no way of getting help or worse, not even knowing that they could get help. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kein_T%C3%A4ter_werden#Ergebnisse https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kein_T%C3%A4ter_werden#Ergebni...
- _cenw 4y ago
  Ah, Beier's project. Director of the one and only known insitute to make trans people in Germany going through TSG (80's law to allow for name change / gender marker change) take a visual pedophile test. (Why? I'm presuming he just likes to acrew more data, no other reason in particular) I listened to a few public talks and... let's say I have some red flags I'd raise. If all you have is a hammer...
- willcipriano 4y ago
  I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and households have limited numbers of people in them. On the other hand you have a building where it is known that lots of children attend daily and is full of people who self selected for whatever reason to be around someone elses kids all day. My high school pulled two pedophiles out over the last three years alone. During my time there I witnessed a lot of behavior that went right up against the line of what is acceptable by people in adult hindsight probably shouldn't have had access to children.
  - greggarious 4y ago
    Those types are common in K12 -- they're used to interacting with folks with less mobility (no car, no job and/or literally disabled) and exploiting that. It's my understanding my alma mater (is that the right phrasing for your former high school?) still employs at least one, but the two people who told me about her behavior don't seem interested in having her removed from her position and I can't do anything with hearsay. They often prey on kids victimized by the other set of abusers, the one's who don't abuse kids sexually, but are utter sadists who jump in with the bullies to victimize and other kids who are geeky, queer, or just plain shy they whine cries of false concern that those kids might not just commit suicide. It was a different time before Columbine -- you had more freedom, but you also would get attacked physically -- nowadays the model seems to be that folks have some kind of cold war until the other side loses their temper, and then the true abuser gets to cry victim. For context, I actually spotted one of the paraprofessionals from a school I attended in the crowd on Jan 6th -- it's been a perpetual thing for kids of a certain age when Columbine happened that folks are forever fearful of what weird hacker bois like me will do -- but never enough to lift us out of precarity that would allow us to get away from them and their terrible views, because let's be frank: having everyone who's not in the Christian right from my shitty ass township move to Portland or Brooklyn or whatever isn't a sustainable life strategy :-)
P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
That one seemed odd to me, what I'm wondering if it's hentai images. I can't think of any other way for it to be a victimless crime.

greggarious 4y ago

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. Excuse me, but what the fuck kind of logic is that? Do you have a citation? Maybe back in the days of WinMX, Kazaa, and anonymous FTP servers folks would abuse the spirit of the strict liability nature of CSAM paired with the fact it's difficult to truly erase terrible things you accidentally encounter... but nowadays it's REALLY easy to stick to sources of porn that are legal. But to be clear... that's not at all what happened here. He didn't spider file sharing sites and get more than he bargained for or something mislabeled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte#Sex_crimes_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte#Sex_crimes_alle... >the government found that Schulte had "neatly organized" this material "according to his preferences, and stored it for a period of years."[31] In the government's view, there was "no set of circumstances that can confidently assure the Court that he's not going to continue to try to download child pornography, encourage others to download it and share it and just generally engage in very dangerous sexual activity."... When the government searched Schulte's phone, they found a photograph taken inside the bathroom of his old home.[35] The picture showed an unconscious woman whose underwear had been removed and whose genitals were being touched. She was not publicly named, but was identified as Schulte's roommate at the time. She informed investigators that she passed out one night with no memory of what happened, and that the photograph was not consensual.[2] She was unable to identify the person who took the picture and molested her, prosecutors in Loudoun County said an analysis of Schulte's hands confirmed they were his hands in the picture. When you recite talking points like that, you're telling on yourself because I assure you most hackers are not running around downloading CSAM and uploading (And we call it "child sex abuse material", not child porn, to emphasize the folks are victims of abuse... children cannot consent, full stop, and you tell on yourself when you want to ride the lightning of when that consent should start in your porn habits.)