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Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will b

Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?

postingawayonhn 4y ago
> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. That's fine but he should at least admit he has been a hypocrite and stop attacking Twitters moderation policies.
- ergocoder 4y ago
  Oh I see. You want him to admit out loud. In your world, people are not allowed to update their opinion quietly? I bet even you don't follow that rule.
  - WatchDog 4y ago
    Changing ones views is fine, I would hope that we all update our views as we get a little older and wiser, but his whole raison d'être for the twitter acquisition was the pursuit of free speech. He made a bunch of very recent, very public, and very direct commitments to that effect, and now he is backtracking on it. It's absolutely something that he should reconcile with and address.
    - ergocoder 4y ago
      > He made a bunch of very recent, very public, and very direct commitments to that effect, and now he is backtracking on it. He backtracks it because he prioritizes his family's safety. Is that a bad thing in your view? > It's absolutely something that he should reconcile with and address. Yeah, I bet he already reconcile it. That's why he prioritizes his family's safety. He even tweeted the new policy that tracking people in real-time is not ok. Did you just make a bunch of criticism without actually checking what Elon has tweeted so far?
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > He backtracks it because he prioritizes his family's safety. Is that a bad thing in your view? It's bad that he's seemingly only interested in protecting his own. The moderation he decried as part of the Twitter takeover is often the sort of thing that's protecting others from harms of this nature. If this helps him turn over a new leaf on the concept of "legal speech can still be dangerous to people and some of it shouldn't be on Twitter", great. I'll believe it if I see it. > He even tweeted the new policy that tracking people in real-time is not ok. That new policy is a hastily written ex post facto justification for the action he wanted to take. I think everyone suspects, with good reason, that it'll be inconsistently applied.
      - alt227 4y ago
        He didnt seem too bothered when it was other kids getting stalked.
        ergocoder 4y ago
        Let's not kid ourselves. All of us are mostly concerned about our own kids. If we were concerned about other kids, we would drop everything right now and spend all of our time finding kidnapped kids instead. There are thousands of missing kids right now. We would tell senates (or vote) to spend 10B or 50B a year of tax money finding missing kids. We would make it the top priority of the nation. We don't even do that Musk being concerned about his own kids doesn't seem out of line. Also, which kids are getting stalked by Musk? Maybe I missed the news
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Yes, but he's not in charge of the largest megaphone on the planet, which Elon Musk has used to previously advertise his stance on the subject. To see him publicly retract that and re-state his new position rather than to have to infer it from his actions would help. 'Quietly updating your opinion' is a right reserved to those that quietly held it in the first place.
IntelMiner 4y ago
That's why absolutism is a laughable farce when it comes to "free speech"
- ergocoder 4y ago
  He tweeted a few times that he is not a free speech absolutism. For example: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 Unless, of course, you think people are not allowed to update their opinion.
  - altacc 4y ago
    That tweet says that free speech will be limited by law. For that to be relevant to ElonJet he would have to specify which laws ElonJet broke. People can change their opinions but if you’ve made big public statements about that opinion, spent $44 billion in part to enforce that opinion, garnered press & support for that opinion, then I’d expect that opinion to be strongly held and not dropped at the first test that affected you personally. Then if you do change opinion then you should be as equally public about it as you were previously.
    - ergocoder 4y ago
      > Then if you do change opinion then you should be as equally public about it as you were previously. He tweeted about it, and I gave you the tweet. It's equally public because his initial opinion is also a tweet. Isn't that enough? > For that to be relevant to ElonJet he would have to specify which laws ElonJet broke. It causes indirect harm to his family that led to the current stalker incident.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > It causes indirect harm to his family that led to the current stalker incident. Setting aside that there’s no evidence for this linkage for a moment, which law does that break? Will he be banning Libs of TikTok, who've much more demonstrably done indirect harm to various children's hospitals by triggering bomb threats?
jacquesm 4y ago
> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. It might be, but there isn't a shred of proof that it actually is. Elon is quite literally hiding behind his youngest child in order to get away with something that he simply wanted to do anyway. He painted himself in a corner and this is his way out.
- ergocoder 4y ago
  > there isn't a shred of proof There is a video of a stalker that followed him from the airport. That is not enough? Apart from that, I would generally be concerned if there is a twitter that tracks my vehicle in real-time. Wouldn't you be concerned too?
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    The account that got blocked wasn't active on the day that the alleged stalking incident happened. And until I see some actual evidence that the two are linked that will be my position. And if I were a billionaire and worried about parties tracking my vehicle in real time I would be up front about it rather than to make grand statements about absolute free speech and leaving that particular account up. I might go as far as to say that I purchased Twitter with the express intent of shutting that account down, even though I knew full well that the information would remain available elsewhere because my children's health is priceless and 44 Billion is chump change to me. I also would not use easily identifiable vehicles such as private aircraft.
    - ergocoder 4y ago
      > until I see some actual evidence Until you see some actual evidence, Elon cannot take actions to protect his family? That is ridiculous. Even without this incident, having a twitter tracking your real-time movement already presents danger to your family. Even you yourself wouldn't like it. > And if I were a billionaire and worried about parties tracking my vehicle in real time I would be up front about it rather than to make grand statements about absolute free speech and leaving that particular account up. What does this have to do with his family's safety? Apparently, he prioritizes family's safety over being called hypocrisy. This is a good thing, right? We all agree that Elon is taking a good action, right? It's strange that you argue the other way around. It's like you want people to not prioritize family's safety. Weird. > I also would not use easily identifiable vehicles such as private aircraft. Ah the victim blaming. it's not the stalker's fault. It's the victim's fault that chooses the type of the vehicle.
ss2003 4y ago
And you of course don't find promoting coups to overthrow the democratically elected government of you country to be a threat to family and kids, right? That all okay. Cool.
arrrg 4y ago
This is not a way to moderate Twitter or any social plattform. That‘s the pertinent point. It‘s awful governance even if his personal perspective may be understandable. But that doesn’t matter. Still makes this awful governance.

postingawayonhn 4y ago

> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. That's fine but he should at least admit he has been a hypocrite and stop attacking Twitters moderation policies.

ergocoder 4y ago
Oh I see. You want him to admit out loud. In your world, people are not allowed to update their opinion quietly? I bet even you don't follow that rule.
- WatchDog 4y ago
  Changing ones views is fine, I would hope that we all update our views as we get a little older and wiser, but his whole raison d'être for the twitter acquisition was the pursuit of free speech. He made a bunch of very recent, very public, and very direct commitments to that effect, and now he is backtracking on it. It's absolutely something that he should reconcile with and address.
  - ergocoder 4y ago
    > He made a bunch of very recent, very public, and very direct commitments to that effect, and now he is backtracking on it. He backtracks it because he prioritizes his family's safety. Is that a bad thing in your view? > It's absolutely something that he should reconcile with and address. Yeah, I bet he already reconcile it. That's why he prioritizes his family's safety. He even tweeted the new policy that tracking people in real-time is not ok. Did you just make a bunch of criticism without actually checking what Elon has tweeted so far?
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      > He backtracks it because he prioritizes his family's safety. Is that a bad thing in your view? It's bad that he's seemingly only interested in protecting his own. The moderation he decried as part of the Twitter takeover is often the sort of thing that's protecting others from harms of this nature. If this helps him turn over a new leaf on the concept of "legal speech can still be dangerous to people and some of it shouldn't be on Twitter", great. I'll believe it if I see it. > He even tweeted the new policy that tracking people in real-time is not ok. That new policy is a hastily written ex post facto justification for the action he wanted to take. I think everyone suspects, with good reason, that it'll be inconsistently applied.
    - alt227 4y ago
      He didnt seem too bothered when it was other kids getting stalked.
      - ergocoder 4y ago
        Let's not kid ourselves. All of us are mostly concerned about our own kids. If we were concerned about other kids, we would drop everything right now and spend all of our time finding kidnapped kids instead. There are thousands of missing kids right now. We would tell senates (or vote) to spend 10B or 50B a year of tax money finding missing kids. We would make it the top priority of the nation. We don't even do that Musk being concerned about his own kids doesn't seem out of line. Also, which kids are getting stalked by Musk? Maybe I missed the news
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Yes, but he's not in charge of the largest megaphone on the planet, which Elon Musk has used to previously advertise his stance on the subject. To see him publicly retract that and re-state his new position rather than to have to infer it from his actions would help. 'Quietly updating your opinion' is a right reserved to those that quietly held it in the first place.

IntelMiner 4y ago

That's why absolutism is a laughable farce when it comes to "free speech"

ergocoder 4y ago
He tweeted a few times that he is not a free speech absolutism. For example: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 Unless, of course, you think people are not allowed to update their opinion.
- altacc 4y ago
  That tweet says that free speech will be limited by law. For that to be relevant to ElonJet he would have to specify which laws ElonJet broke. People can change their opinions but if you’ve made big public statements about that opinion, spent $44 billion in part to enforce that opinion, garnered press & support for that opinion, then I’d expect that opinion to be strongly held and not dropped at the first test that affected you personally. Then if you do change opinion then you should be as equally public about it as you were previously.
  - ergocoder 4y ago
    > Then if you do change opinion then you should be as equally public about it as you were previously. He tweeted about it, and I gave you the tweet. It's equally public because his initial opinion is also a tweet. Isn't that enough? > For that to be relevant to ElonJet he would have to specify which laws ElonJet broke. It causes indirect harm to his family that led to the current stalker incident.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      > It causes indirect harm to his family that led to the current stalker incident. Setting aside that there’s no evidence for this linkage for a moment, which law does that break? Will he be banning Libs of TikTok, who've much more demonstrably done indirect harm to various children's hospitals by triggering bomb threats?

jacquesm 4y ago

> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. It might be, but there isn't a shred of proof that it actually is. Elon is quite literally hiding behind his youngest child in order to get away with something that he simply wanted to do anyway. He painted himself in a corner and this is his way out.

ergocoder 4y ago
> there isn't a shred of proof There is a video of a stalker that followed him from the airport. That is not enough? Apart from that, I would generally be concerned if there is a twitter that tracks my vehicle in real-time. Wouldn't you be concerned too?
- jacquesm 4y ago
  The account that got blocked wasn't active on the day that the alleged stalking incident happened. And until I see some actual evidence that the two are linked that will be my position. And if I were a billionaire and worried about parties tracking my vehicle in real time I would be up front about it rather than to make grand statements about absolute free speech and leaving that particular account up. I might go as far as to say that I purchased Twitter with the express intent of shutting that account down, even though I knew full well that the information would remain available elsewhere because my children's health is priceless and 44 Billion is chump change to me. I also would not use easily identifiable vehicles such as private aircraft.
  - ergocoder 4y ago
    > until I see some actual evidence Until you see some actual evidence, Elon cannot take actions to protect his family? That is ridiculous. Even without this incident, having a twitter tracking your real-time movement already presents danger to your family. Even you yourself wouldn't like it. > And if I were a billionaire and worried about parties tracking my vehicle in real time I would be up front about it rather than to make grand statements about absolute free speech and leaving that particular account up. What does this have to do with his family's safety? Apparently, he prioritizes family's safety over being called hypocrisy. This is a good thing, right? We all agree that Elon is taking a good action, right? It's strange that you argue the other way around. It's like you want people to not prioritize family's safety. Weird. > I also would not use easily identifiable vehicles such as private aircraft. Ah the victim blaming. it's not the stalker's fault. It's the victim's fault that chooses the type of the vehicle.

ss2003 4y ago

And you of course don't find promoting coups to overthrow the democratically elected government of you country to be a threat to family and kids, right? That all okay. Cool.

arrrg 4y ago

This is not a way to moderate Twitter or any social plattform. That‘s the pertinent point. It‘s awful governance even if his personal perspective may be understandable. But that doesn’t matter. Still makes this awful governance.