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On the contrary, the accusation is warrranted. Domain names are printed on billboards, in newspapers, shown in TV ads and a myriad other examples outside the pr

by mongol 4y ago

On the contrary, the accusation is warrranted. Domain names are printed on billboards, in newspapers, shown in TV ads and a myriad other examples outside the programming domain. I have not heard anyone from a non-English speaking country argue your viewpoint.

p-e-w 4y ago
> I have not heard anyone from a non-English speaking country argue your viewpoint. Well, now you have. I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not from a country where English has any official status.
- mongol 4y ago
  What characters are present in your native language, that is not in ASCII?
  - numpad0 4y ago
    Tell me how many of top 100 websites in CJK use IDN...
  - bananapub 4y ago
    > What characters are present in your native language, that is not in ASCII? is that a joke? or are you really under the impression that most languages use subsets of the Latin alphabet? even English uses letters that aren't in ASCII, much less literally every other one.
    - saurik 4y ago
      I feel like you have misread the comment you are responding to, as that question was almost certainly an attempt to verify that the person who was arguing the other side of the point wasn't willing to do handedly screw over the majority of the world that doesn't use Latin characters because their non-English language--which they had thrown out for street cred here--happened to not need anything that wouldn't be readily mapped with low corruption to the Latin set.
    - mongol 4y ago
      The English alphabet does not contain non-ASCII chars. Which makes it quite unusual.
      - cryptonector 4y ago
        Not entirely true. There is some use of umlauts. For example, The New Yorker insists on spelling re-elect as reëlect.
        scintill76 4y ago
        I don’t think people consider them part of the English alphabet. Which letters do they sort between, according to English sorting rules? Also, “Those two dots, often mistaken for an umlaut, are actually a diaeresis… Most of the English-speaking world finds the diaeresis inessential. Even Fowler, of Fowler’s “Modern English Usage,” says that the diaeresis “is in English an obsolescent symbol.”” https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-curse-of-the-diaeresis https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-curse-of-...
zajio1am 4y ago
I am from Czechia, where many diacritic marks are used. CZ domain registry makes periodic surveys whether to allow IDN domains for .cz, and 'no' wins consistently with ~ 2/3 majority. See https://www.háčkyčárky.cz/ https://www.xn--hkyrky-ptac70bc.cz/ (there are also info in english). The main argument against is that everybody is accustomed to the current situation and knows that when a brand contains diacritic marks, they should be removed when entering URL. If IDN is introduced, it would be confusing as some would use ASCII version, some IDN version, while most would just buy two domains instead of one.

by mongol 4y ago

p-e-w 4y ago

> I have not heard anyone from a non-English speaking country argue your viewpoint. Well, now you have. I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not from a country where English has any official status.

mongol 4y ago
What characters are present in your native language, that is not in ASCII?
- numpad0 4y ago
  Tell me how many of top 100 websites in CJK use IDN...
- bananapub 4y ago
  > What characters are present in your native language, that is not in ASCII? is that a joke? or are you really under the impression that most languages use subsets of the Latin alphabet? even English uses letters that aren't in ASCII, much less literally every other one.
  - saurik 4y ago
    I feel like you have misread the comment you are responding to, as that question was almost certainly an attempt to verify that the person who was arguing the other side of the point wasn't willing to do handedly screw over the majority of the world that doesn't use Latin characters because their non-English language--which they had thrown out for street cred here--happened to not need anything that wouldn't be readily mapped with low corruption to the Latin set.
  - mongol 4y ago
    The English alphabet does not contain non-ASCII chars. Which makes it quite unusual.
    - cryptonector 4y ago
      Not entirely true. There is some use of umlauts. For example, The New Yorker insists on spelling re-elect as reëlect.
      - scintill76 4y ago
        I don’t think people consider them part of the English alphabet. Which letters do they sort between, according to English sorting rules? Also, “Those two dots, often mistaken for an umlaut, are actually a diaeresis… Most of the English-speaking world finds the diaeresis inessential. Even Fowler, of Fowler’s “Modern English Usage,” says that the diaeresis “is in English an obsolescent symbol.”” https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-curse-of-the-diaeresis https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-curse-of-...

zajio1am 4y ago

I am from Czechia, where many diacritic marks are used. CZ domain registry makes periodic surveys whether to allow IDN domains for .cz, and 'no' wins consistently with ~ 2/3 majority. See https://www.háčkyčárky.cz/ https://www.xn--hkyrky-ptac70bc.cz/ (there are also info in english). The main argument against is that everybody is accustomed to the current situation and knows that when a brand contains diacritic marks, they should be removed when entering URL. If IDN is introduced, it would be confusing as some would use ASCII version, some IDN version, while most would just buy two domains instead of one.