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It's doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. It's not really doxxing if you take info that's broadcast t

It's doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. It's not really doxxing if you take info that's broadcast to the public by law and use that. I put out my resume that has my name, address, and phone number on my public website and I wouldn't consider it doxxing if someone uses that info. If Musk doesn't want to get tracked, he can take a regular airplane like other people, or maybe borrow a plane from someone he knows, and not use one that's registered to his business.

null0pointer 4y ago
> It’s doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. I’m not sure you’ll find many who agree with you in this definition. The natural followup to “not meant to be public” is “meant by who?” Oftentimes people are doxxed through collation of various public records, kept and published by the government. I’m thinking things like phone books, arrest records, property transfer records, business registration, WHOIS registration, and many more. Then there’s times when the victim themselves didn’t realize they were leaking information. Even seemingly innocuous photos can be used by determined individuals to get a precise location [1]. I realize this falls under “unintentional” by your definition but would it be fair to say the person doxxed themselves in this case? I don’t think so. To me the essence of doxxing is putting together otherwise disparate info into an easily sharable package. Something which raises the profile of the individual datapoints and their relation to each other until finding the victims information is trivial for anyone with a basic search. 1: See GeoWizards fantastic series doing exactly this: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_japiE6QKWqMVC3JbyONau_0CZlDTU5f https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_japiE6QKWqMVC3JbyONau_0...
- nickpp 4y ago
  It's incredible the mental gymnastics some people go through to justify behaviors they would find unacceptable if directed to their own person. Bottom line is: there is no justifiable reason to publish real-time location info of somebody against his wishes other than to harm him.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    Yet Elon has no problem tracking every Tesla owner
    - nickpp 4y ago
      Is he putting that info out there for every psycho to see? Google Maps is tracking me every day and I have no problem with it. But it would certainly piss me off if that info was fed into a dedicated social media account.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        No, but the moment it serves Tesla's interest he does.
        nickpp 4y ago
        Until he does, the two aren't equivalent though.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        We're past that already.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    Those mental gymnastics happen primarily because anyone looking at the situation for longer than a minute can see people in power use mental gymnastics to keep themselves ahead just as much. The real issue here is people believing 'do unto others' is even remotely a concern for people in a position of power.
  - theCrowing 4y ago
    Ah yes, like the Hacker manifesto says public data should not be public.
  - vintermann 4y ago
- gfodor 4y ago
  Correct I believe that’s literally where the term came from - it’s aggregating the full set of accessible information about a person into a document for sharing it and helping people locate them in meatspace.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
    Ohhh > document for sharing Google "Docs"-ing. Now I get it.
pigsty 4y ago
Most doxxing is just taking public info found by a 2 second Google search given the right starting point. There are countless videos of people screaming in fast food restaurants. If someone recognizes that area, looks up public addresses in the vicinity, and finds a name match, from there you can easily get a phone number, work place, etc. Doxxing is less about information acquisition and more about intentions and location in which it’s shared. Angry mob posting online about some evil person in a video and you find the target’s address just by looking up their license plate? Most communities will ban you for doxxing if you post that info.

null0pointer 4y ago

> It’s doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. I’m not sure you’ll find many who agree with you in this definition. The natural followup to “not meant to be public” is “meant by who?” Oftentimes people are doxxed through collation of various public records, kept and published by the government. I’m thinking things like phone books, arrest records, property transfer records, business registration, WHOIS registration, and many more. Then there’s times when the victim themselves didn’t realize they were leaking information. Even seemingly innocuous photos can be used by determined individuals to get a precise location [1]. I realize this falls under “unintentional” by your definition but would it be fair to say the person doxxed themselves in this case? I don’t think so. To me the essence of doxxing is putting together otherwise disparate info into an easily sharable package. Something which raises the profile of the individual datapoints and their relation to each other until finding the victims information is trivial for anyone with a basic search. 1: See GeoWizards fantastic series doing exactly this: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_japiE6QKWqMVC3JbyONau_0CZlDTU5f https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_japiE6QKWqMVC3JbyONau_0...

nickpp 4y ago
It's incredible the mental gymnastics some people go through to justify behaviors they would find unacceptable if directed to their own person. Bottom line is: there is no justifiable reason to publish real-time location info of somebody against his wishes other than to harm him.
- ilyt 4y ago
  Yet Elon has no problem tracking every Tesla owner
  - nickpp 4y ago
    Is he putting that info out there for every psycho to see? Google Maps is tracking me every day and I have no problem with it. But it would certainly piss me off if that info was fed into a dedicated social media account.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      No, but the moment it serves Tesla's interest he does.
      - nickpp 4y ago
        Until he does, the two aren't equivalent though.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        We're past that already.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Those mental gymnastics happen primarily because anyone looking at the situation for longer than a minute can see people in power use mental gymnastics to keep themselves ahead just as much. The real issue here is people believing 'do unto others' is even remotely a concern for people in a position of power.
- theCrowing 4y ago
  Ah yes, like the Hacker manifesto says public data should not be public.
- vintermann 4y ago
gfodor 4y ago
Correct I believe that’s literally where the term came from - it’s aggregating the full set of accessible information about a person into a document for sharing it and helping people locate them in meatspace.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
  Ohhh > document for sharing Google "Docs"-ing. Now I get it.

pigsty 4y ago

Most doxxing is just taking public info found by a 2 second Google search given the right starting point. There are countless videos of people screaming in fast food restaurants. If someone recognizes that area, looks up public addresses in the vicinity, and finds a name match, from there you can easily get a phone number, work place, etc. Doxxing is less about information acquisition and more about intentions and location in which it’s shared. Angry mob posting online about some evil person in a video and you find the target’s address just by looking up their license plate? Most communities will ban you for doxxing if you post that info.