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There are zillions of good ideas that the Eu mandated - ideas which you dont even notice because they became parts of your daily life. They range from the oblig

There are zillions of good ideas that the Eu mandated - ideas which you dont even notice because they became parts of your daily life. They range from the obligation that food producers must have all the ingredients clearly listed in their products to the expiration dates. From no-spam laws to right to repair. What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear.

troad 4y ago
I grew up in Australia. We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels. What developed country doesn’t have expiration dates? The EU is great at taking credit for things it had very little to do with. Sometimes it’s obvious things that happen elsewhere without the EU (expiration dates on food), sometimes it’s the work of other organisations (like NATO). “Oh, there’s peace in Europe? Yeah, the EU did that. Oh, there’s war in Europe? Hmm, more EU should fix that.” > What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear. I’m a euro-federalist, so I doubt the Daily Mirror would be interested. The EU is a mixed bag and I want it to do better. Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little about seems unconstructive.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels A large part of the world adopted such rules after the Eu implemented them. The Eu is seen as the leader and standard in these things. Eu implemented consumer protections, everyone else in OECD also did. Eu implemented EUVAT, OECD countries are also doing it. Also various US states. Eu implemented GDPR, and suddenly from Brazil to US every other country or state has their own GDPR. Now the Eu has its digital gatekeepers law. Watch how long will it take for other OECD countries to adopt similar laws. > Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little Sorry but we are on public internet. We dont have the time to sit and get to know people. If you are talking like the people from a certain group, then its normal that people respond to you as if you were from that group. Moreover, the culture that people grow up in affects their perspective greatly. Not surprisingly, having grown in an Anglosaxon country seems to have shaped your perspective too.
  - irusensei 4y ago
    Brazilian here. GDPR is the only example in your list that is factual and that's because Europe requirements for market agreements. It was passed mainly to be able to establish trade with the EU. We had most of these other things before EU even existed. Brazilian's Código de Defesa do Consumidor dates from 1990. Expiration dates are such a common thing worldwide its not even worth searching on there internet. A quality assurance institution named INMETRO exists since the 70s testing everything from condoms reliability to reporting small parts in children's toys. Brazil also pioneered net neutrality one year before the EU. Talking about culture perspective you seem to admire the EU regulatory frame and that's fine but as I said before nothing is perfect and its totally ok to criticize something that is poorly conceived even if intentions were good.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      I think they mean EU countries. EU laws are mostly laws from specific countries that bubbles up to the union. Regulations along these lines has existed in Europe for over a century.
      - unity1001 4y ago
        > EU laws are mostly laws from specific countries that bubbles up to the union Nope. Euparl does most of these regulations. The GDPR, digital gatekeepers and various other internet related laws originated from the left wing parties in Euparl - those parties grew from pirate party roots. The pirate parties that were founded in many Eu countries in mid 2000s during the copyright/filesharing battles.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      > GDPR is the only example in your list that is factual and that's because Europe requirements for market agreements That is a big factor in proliferation of such agreements, however thats not the normal mechanic. Japan has no need for copying EUVAT to trade with the Eu for example. But they are doing it. Also, various US states implemented similar schemes without any such need. > Talking about culture perspective you seem to admire the EU regulatory frame I explicitly do. What you are seeing with the emergence of recent regulations like GDPR, digital gatekeepers is due to the ascent of pro-people, pro open web parties that grew from pirate party roots coming to power in the Eu parliament. > A quality assurance institution named INMETRO exists since the 70s Eu started as a coal cooperation organization in mid 1950s and by 70s most of its institutions and practices were in place - especially in the direction of consumer, product and manufacturing regulations. It was the example even by then.

troad 4y ago

I grew up in Australia. We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels. What developed country doesn’t have expiration dates? The EU is great at taking credit for things it had very little to do with. Sometimes it’s obvious things that happen elsewhere without the EU (expiration dates on food), sometimes it’s the work of other organisations (like NATO). “Oh, there’s peace in Europe? Yeah, the EU did that. Oh, there’s war in Europe? Hmm, more EU should fix that.” > What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear. I’m a euro-federalist, so I doubt the Daily Mirror would be interested. The EU is a mixed bag and I want it to do better. Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little about seems unconstructive.

unity1001 4y ago
> We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels A large part of the world adopted such rules after the Eu implemented them. The Eu is seen as the leader and standard in these things. Eu implemented consumer protections, everyone else in OECD also did. Eu implemented EUVAT, OECD countries are also doing it. Also various US states. Eu implemented GDPR, and suddenly from Brazil to US every other country or state has their own GDPR. Now the Eu has its digital gatekeepers law. Watch how long will it take for other OECD countries to adopt similar laws. > Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little Sorry but we are on public internet. We dont have the time to sit and get to know people. If you are talking like the people from a certain group, then its normal that people respond to you as if you were from that group. Moreover, the culture that people grow up in affects their perspective greatly. Not surprisingly, having grown in an Anglosaxon country seems to have shaped your perspective too.
- irusensei 4y ago
  Brazilian here. GDPR is the only example in your list that is factual and that's because Europe requirements for market agreements. It was passed mainly to be able to establish trade with the EU. We had most of these other things before EU even existed. Brazilian's Código de Defesa do Consumidor dates from 1990. Expiration dates are such a common thing worldwide its not even worth searching on there internet. A quality assurance institution named INMETRO exists since the 70s testing everything from condoms reliability to reporting small parts in children's toys. Brazil also pioneered net neutrality one year before the EU. Talking about culture perspective you seem to admire the EU regulatory frame and that's fine but as I said before nothing is perfect and its totally ok to criticize something that is poorly conceived even if intentions were good.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    I think they mean EU countries. EU laws are mostly laws from specific countries that bubbles up to the union. Regulations along these lines has existed in Europe for over a century.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      > EU laws are mostly laws from specific countries that bubbles up to the union Nope. Euparl does most of these regulations. The GDPR, digital gatekeepers and various other internet related laws originated from the left wing parties in Euparl - those parties grew from pirate party roots. The pirate parties that were founded in many Eu countries in mid 2000s during the copyright/filesharing battles.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > GDPR is the only example in your list that is factual and that's because Europe requirements for market agreements That is a big factor in proliferation of such agreements, however thats not the normal mechanic. Japan has no need for copying EUVAT to trade with the Eu for example. But they are doing it. Also, various US states implemented similar schemes without any such need. > Talking about culture perspective you seem to admire the EU regulatory frame I explicitly do. What you are seeing with the emergence of recent regulations like GDPR, digital gatekeepers is due to the ascent of pro-people, pro open web parties that grew from pirate party roots coming to power in the Eu parliament. > A quality assurance institution named INMETRO exists since the 70s Eu started as a coal cooperation organization in mid 1950s and by 70s most of its institutions and practices were in place - especially in the direction of consumer, product and manufacturing regulations. It was the example even by then.