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You are the one misrepresenting here. Someone involved in censoring a sitting US President is newsworthy by any definition as is someone who accepted a very pub

by hajile 4y ago

You are the one misrepresenting here. Someone involved in censoring a sitting US President is newsworthy by any definition as is someone who accepted a very public invitation to the White House. Taylor Lorenz doxxed LoTT (not even debatable here with the article even being edited to remove some of the doxxed links). Speaking about this and the public journalist who did it to you certainly seems appropriate. As to Boston Children's Hospital, you were lied to. A study from March this year clearly states that 36.7% of their patients were under 18 and as young as 15. > Over the 3-year study period, a total of 204 gender affirmation surgical cases were identified: 177 chest/top and 27 genital/bottom surgeries (Table 1). Most cases were masculinizing chest reconstructions 177/204 (86.8%) with 65/177 (36.7%) of those patients being less than 18 years of age. > The Center for Gender Surgery (CfGS) at Boston Children’s Hospital (BCH) was the first pediatric center in the United States to offer gender-affirming chest surgeries for individuals over 15 years old and genital surgeries for those over 17 years of age. In the four years since its inception, CfGS has completed over 300 gender-affirming surgeries. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9000168/pdf/jcm-11-01943.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9000168/pdf/jcm...

jagger27 4y ago
joshuamorton 4y ago
> You are the one misrepresenting here. Someone involved in censoring a sitting US President is newsworthy Whether or not they are newsworthy or appropriate, information about Roth and Lorenz clearly isn't "video content the users had already explicitly uploaded for the purpose of public viewing". If you want to change your argument, feel free, but don't accuse me of misrepresentation and then lie. Of course, if you want to make the argument that Roth is notable enough, you can. But I want to see you thread the needle about how doxxing Roth is acceptable, but Musk isn't. > As to Boston Children's Hospital, you were lied to. A study from March this year clearly states that 36.7% of their patients were under 18 and as young as 15. No I was not. A hysterectomy is not a chest surgery, and the hospital doesn't provide them to children (https://archive.vn/7R44e https://archive.vn/7R44e). The hospital may provide some services to children, but hysterectomies aren't one of them. Again, do not misrepresent my comments.
- brigandish 4y ago
  > Of course, if you want to make the argument that Roth is notable enough, you can. But I want to see you thread the needle about how doxxing Roth is acceptable, but Musk isn't. I'm a bit confused by this. I have just checked Libs of Tiktok's Twitter feed and only found two tweets referencing Yoel Roth, one bemoaning the fact that LoTT is receiving threats and that if it were Roth it'd be national news[1], and another[2] from November the 4th flagging a tweet to him and wondering why it is still up. Where is LoTT doxxing Roth? As to the stuff circulating about Roth, it was all public to begin with, right? I certainly don't wish any threats to come his way but that's threats and harassment, not doxxing. Maybe I missed something. [1] https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602978234345431040 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602978234345431040 [2] https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1588338910815342592 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1588338910815342592
  - joshuamorton 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602797460769968128 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602797460769968128 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602188311099019265 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602188311099019265 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602179892346585090 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602179892346585090 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602147621698957312 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602147621698957312 And more, all recent. You're correct, I guess that I should have said "harass" not doxx, but yeah there's tons of stuff LoTT is doing to stoke harassment at Roth (like imply he's a groomer: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1601778632552484865 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1601778632552484865)
    - brigandish 4y ago
      I'll be frank and say that I don't find any of that to be harassment nor inciteful of anything but opprobrium, and I do find some of his tweets shown to make it easy to question his position. I think the tweet about whether students can consent is being unfairly taken out of context (the article it's from[1] is fair and not anything like the way it's being portrayed) but some of the other tweets and his PhD thesis… the criticism are valid (to be made, not necessarily correct). Still, no one should be in fear because of their legal speech - that makes it unfree - whether that's Roth or LoTT or Musk or anyone else, but I don't see that those tweets would be liable for that. [1] https://www.salon.com/2010/11/20/student_teacher/ https://www.salon.com/2010/11/20/student_teacher/

by hajile 4y ago

jagger27 4y ago

joshuamorton 4y ago

> You are the one misrepresenting here. Someone involved in censoring a sitting US President is newsworthy Whether or not they are newsworthy or appropriate, information about Roth and Lorenz clearly isn't "video content the users had already explicitly uploaded for the purpose of public viewing". If you want to change your argument, feel free, but don't accuse me of misrepresentation and then lie. Of course, if you want to make the argument that Roth is notable enough, you can. But I want to see you thread the needle about how doxxing Roth is acceptable, but Musk isn't. > As to Boston Children's Hospital, you were lied to. A study from March this year clearly states that 36.7% of their patients were under 18 and as young as 15. No I was not. A hysterectomy is not a chest surgery, and the hospital doesn't provide them to children (https://archive.vn/7R44e https://archive.vn/7R44e). The hospital may provide some services to children, but hysterectomies aren't one of them. Again, do not misrepresent my comments.

brigandish 4y ago
> Of course, if you want to make the argument that Roth is notable enough, you can. But I want to see you thread the needle about how doxxing Roth is acceptable, but Musk isn't. I'm a bit confused by this. I have just checked Libs of Tiktok's Twitter feed and only found two tweets referencing Yoel Roth, one bemoaning the fact that LoTT is receiving threats and that if it were Roth it'd be national news[1], and another[2] from November the 4th flagging a tweet to him and wondering why it is still up. Where is LoTT doxxing Roth? As to the stuff circulating about Roth, it was all public to begin with, right? I certainly don't wish any threats to come his way but that's threats and harassment, not doxxing. Maybe I missed something. [1] https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602978234345431040 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602978234345431040 [2] https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1588338910815342592 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1588338910815342592
- joshuamorton 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602797460769968128 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602797460769968128 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602188311099019265 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602188311099019265 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602179892346585090 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602179892346585090 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602147621698957312 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602147621698957312 And more, all recent. You're correct, I guess that I should have said "harass" not doxx, but yeah there's tons of stuff LoTT is doing to stoke harassment at Roth (like imply he's a groomer: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1601778632552484865 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1601778632552484865)
  - brigandish 4y ago
    I'll be frank and say that I don't find any of that to be harassment nor inciteful of anything but opprobrium, and I do find some of his tweets shown to make it easy to question his position. I think the tweet about whether students can consent is being unfairly taken out of context (the article it's from[1] is fair and not anything like the way it's being portrayed) but some of the other tweets and his PhD thesis… the criticism are valid (to be made, not necessarily correct). Still, no one should be in fear because of their legal speech - that makes it unfree - whether that's Roth or LoTT or Musk or anyone else, but I don't see that those tweets would be liable for that. [1] https://www.salon.com/2010/11/20/student_teacher/ https://www.salon.com/2010/11/20/student_teacher/