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If you consider doxing as a real tangible harm then what about vulnerable groups coming under harm due to being singled out? LibsOfTikTok made claims about Bos
by kentm 4y ago
If you consider doxing as a real tangible harm then what about vulnerable groups coming under harm due to being singled out? LibsOfTikTok made claims about Boston Children’s Hospital that caused tangible harm and yet they were unbanned. You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker” incident.
- asiangirl2445 4y ago
- kentm 4y agoElonJet also just reposted public info. I’m saying that there’s a double standard being applied by Elon and within this Hacker News thread.
- throwntoday 4y ago[flagged]
- Georgelemental 4y ago> You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker” incident. Correct on both counts. Neither account should be banned or punished
- kentm 4y agoI like that response; its a point of view with proper consistency. Twitter is also a private so another view is that you can ban them both and it’s also consistent and within Musks rights. Of course it’s also within Musks rights to ban one and not the other, just because. But he’s also taken a very public position on free speech wrt Twitter so I think it’s reasonable to point out when those standards are applied inconsistently, and also challenge people who are trying to draw arbitrary lines to defend him.
- donatj 4y agoFrom my limited understanding of the whole LibsOfTikTok / Children's hospital thing, what they had posted was false and thus libel and thus illegal speech which is not allowed on the platform? That seems unrelated.
- ShredKazoo 4y agoMay be useful to consider the hypothetical where the statement is true though. What's the right policy in that case? Seems like the sort of hypothetical our speech policies should be robust to.
- trenchgun 4y agoOk, but why Musk still allows them on the platform?
- chris11 4y agoInformation being false or libelous is another reason to ban someone. That makes it more hypocritical that LibsOfTikTok was unbanned but ElonJet was banned.
- ravel-bar-foo 4y agoI don't connect to Twitter, but I thought that LibsOfTikTok posted evidence in the form of screenshots and recordings of what hospital representatives had said over the phone. Someone even found a paper where authors affiliated with Boston Children's Hospital reported 65 gender affirming surgeries performed when the patient was a minor at the time of surgery: https://doi.org/10.3390/jcm11071943 https://doi.org/10.3390/jcm11071943 (Table 1). From the paper: "The Center for Gender Surgery (CfGS) at Boston Children’s Hospital (BCH) was the first pediatric center in the United States to offer gender-affirming chest surgeries for individuals over 15 years old and genital surgeries for those over 17 years of age. "
- denoteds 4y ago
- dragonwriter 4y ago
- ShredKazoo 4y ago"harm due to being singled out" seems way too broad, e.g. every time a politician is criticized, they could complain on the grounds that they're being "singled out"
- masklinn 4y agoPoliticians are public figures. The threshold for them being “singled out” is mich higher than for a member of the public.
- CaptainZapp 4y ago> Politicians are public figures So is Elon Musk.