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Point 12 says you can support someone who is being abused by watching their children. I wonder how one brings this up. "Hey, are you going to be abused later? N

Point 12 says you can support someone who is being abused by watching their children. I wonder how one brings this up. "Hey, are you going to be abused later? Need me to do some babysitting while that's happening?" I'm also reminded of the somewhat anarchist protest in Seattle called CHAZ or CHOP. They had nightly shootings and multiple people killed. CHAZ guards shot and killed a black teen who hadn't done anything and was just joyriding through the area at night.

happytoexplain 4y ago
You don't bring it up, you simply have relationships with people that includes child-watching. Friends and neighbors are resources to each other. Abused people absolutely take advantage of this. Your sarcasm is a little uncalled-for. Also, is your anecdote simply to summon the image of a killer upon the author? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the write-up, and it's something you could do with any ideological or political group.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  My anecdote is the one time in my life I've experienced people try anarchy and it immediately degenerated into chaos, violence, and murder. I suspect that's the rule for anarchies. Regarding watching the children of the domestically abused - no. If I know someone well enough to watch their kids then I'm not going to just sit idly by while they are abused. I will contact the police, because I don't care if the abuser gets hurt, imprisoned, or killed - shouldn't have been abusing. If the police were magically off limits I would settle the problem directly - which, incidentally, is why rational people prefer legal systems with enforcement agents, so that they don't have to handle things by themselves and deal with the ensuing chaos and violence.
UtopiaPunk 4y ago
You check up on people close to you. If the situation at home is deteriorating, it's very valuable for someone to have a way to keep their kids safe. It can be as simple as telling their kids to go to the friend's house when they get off the school bus. Also, CHOP was chill. I got cookies, browsed the free library, and hung out in the park. Protesters watched the barricades and wouldn't let police in, but ambulances could come in if someone needed health services. I didn't live there, but I felt safe when I visited. It was very different on the ground than what was reported on the news. If you hated the ideas of CHOP, it looked like hell on Earth. If you found the ideas attractive, it was a brief grasp at something bold and beautiful. A word that describes both is "anarchy."
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  Again, there were nightly shootings. I went there personally for about thirty minutes and witnessed a girl screaming at a man that he had raped her. Interestingly, nobody among the anarchists did anything. The people at CHOP literally murdered a teenage kid because he was driving while black - describing this as a "brief grasp at something bold and beautiful" is... not apt.
  - genewitch 4y ago
    I'm sorry, are there not nightly shootings in the areas where this occurred anyhow? Not everyone was participating, perhaps drawing conclusions based on partial evidence isn't warranted here.
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      No, there are definitely not nightly shootings in Capitol Hill. And all of the shootings that happened during CHAZ were related to the protesters and anarchists. The conclusions I made above aren't being drawn, they are well established and undisputed facts. The zone lasted nine days, there four nights of shooting and two dead plus a few wounded. The CHAZ protesters were violent. They vandalized the area with graffiti and left lots of litter. They killed innocent people. They occupied a few city blocks, where people lived, forced businesses to shut down and turned it into this noisy, dirty, dangerous block party for a week or so.
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      - genewitch 4y ago
        https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/ https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/ okay!
        ALittleLight 4y ago

happytoexplain 4y ago

You don't bring it up, you simply have relationships with people that includes child-watching. Friends and neighbors are resources to each other. Abused people absolutely take advantage of this. Your sarcasm is a little uncalled-for. Also, is your anecdote simply to summon the image of a killer upon the author? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the write-up, and it's something you could do with any ideological or political group.

ALittleLight 4y ago
My anecdote is the one time in my life I've experienced people try anarchy and it immediately degenerated into chaos, violence, and murder. I suspect that's the rule for anarchies. Regarding watching the children of the domestically abused - no. If I know someone well enough to watch their kids then I'm not going to just sit idly by while they are abused. I will contact the police, because I don't care if the abuser gets hurt, imprisoned, or killed - shouldn't have been abusing. If the police were magically off limits I would settle the problem directly - which, incidentally, is why rational people prefer legal systems with enforcement agents, so that they don't have to handle things by themselves and deal with the ensuing chaos and violence.

UtopiaPunk 4y ago

You check up on people close to you. If the situation at home is deteriorating, it's very valuable for someone to have a way to keep their kids safe. It can be as simple as telling their kids to go to the friend's house when they get off the school bus. Also, CHOP was chill. I got cookies, browsed the free library, and hung out in the park. Protesters watched the barricades and wouldn't let police in, but ambulances could come in if someone needed health services. I didn't live there, but I felt safe when I visited. It was very different on the ground than what was reported on the news. If you hated the ideas of CHOP, it looked like hell on Earth. If you found the ideas attractive, it was a brief grasp at something bold and beautiful. A word that describes both is "anarchy."

ALittleLight 4y ago
Again, there were nightly shootings. I went there personally for about thirty minutes and witnessed a girl screaming at a man that he had raped her. Interestingly, nobody among the anarchists did anything. The people at CHOP literally murdered a teenage kid because he was driving while black - describing this as a "brief grasp at something bold and beautiful" is... not apt.
- genewitch 4y ago
  I'm sorry, are there not nightly shootings in the areas where this occurred anyhow? Not everyone was participating, perhaps drawing conclusions based on partial evidence isn't warranted here.
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    No, there are definitely not nightly shootings in Capitol Hill. And all of the shootings that happened during CHAZ were related to the protesters and anarchists. The conclusions I made above aren't being drawn, they are well established and undisputed facts. The zone lasted nine days, there four nights of shooting and two dead plus a few wounded. The CHAZ protesters were violent. They vandalized the area with graffiti and left lots of litter. They killed innocent people. They occupied a few city blocks, where people lived, forced businesses to shut down and turned it into this noisy, dirty, dangerous block party for a week or so.
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    - genewitch 4y ago
      https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/ https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/ okay!
      - ALittleLight 4y ago