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> You absolutely did when you said "yes" to the ability of a homeless person to exert as much influence No, I didn't. You said "have the same ability to partic

> You absolutely did when you said "yes" to the ability of a homeless person to exert as much influence No, I didn't. You said "have the same ability to participate and get Bitcoin" to which I said yes. You reworded what I said, disingenuously, to force an incredibly weak argument. > Its still massively unprofitable for me to mine with any hardware I still own, and many friends of mine with ASICs can't profitably mine either. Ah, there it is. It's not about other people, it's about you. Like I've already stated, if you want to participate in Bitcoin but mining is out of range, go offer services and/or products for Bitcoin and earn it (I've done it happily, and have paid others for their services using it, too). Nobody owes you Bitcoin. > Yeah, definitely seems like a normal thing average people are gonna be able to participate in. Do normal people participate in SWIFT? No. That's the level Bitcoin is operating on. But it doesn't exclude them from transacting in the currencies that rely on SWIFT as a network. > I can petition the lords for change. They can also just choose to ignore me. Some people wanted larger block sizes. Some wanted faster generation times. We've seen how those changes have turned out over and over. And they likely will with this attitude. And yes, their ideas didn't gain traction so they ended up forking, and lo and behold, it didn't work. Those experiments were failures. The system works.

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UncleMeat 4y ago
> Like I've already stated, if you want to participate in Bitcoin but mining is out of range, go offer services and/or products for Bitcoin and earn it (I've done it happily, and have paid others for their services using it, too). Nobody owes you Bitcoin. "If you want to vote in a nation where only landowners vote, go offer services and/or products and earn land."
- rglover 4y ago
  Yes. Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). It's beautiful and immediately removes the potential for parasites to thrive. That's why government/statists hate it so much. They can't just steal from people under false pretenses and have to actually provide value or something of merit (which they can't do, because they've invested their entire being into parasitism).
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Bro, oligarchs would LOVE if land == vote. You can literally buy votes with capital. What a ridiculous system (and extremely undemocratic, btw!) Guess what? People who don't own land still contribute towards society. It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. If so, that is very clearly clouding your judgement on this issue. I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it (from MLM to crypto yield scams to penny stock newsletters) - they lacked the capability to criticize it b/c they needed it to be true. It's setting yourself up for a lot of pain.
  - rglover 4y ago
    @roflyear > You can literally buy votes with capital. That's Ethereum, not Bitcoin. > It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. Not really. I'd like to see it succeed, though, as it can help a lot of people. > I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it I've lost no money on Bitcoin and I've been in it since ~2013 (I do a simple dollar cost averaging scheme to do a daily buy and when I can, accept it as payment for my services). I have a deep disdain for MLM schemes. I don't "need" it to be true, I'd like it to be true. If people fail to "get it," I'm not going to have an existential crisis. At worst, it will just confirm my suspicion that the majority of the world's population lacks the intelligence to free themselves from tyranny (ironically, by design via state education) and are forever-destined to be enslaved. I'll still be in my backyard picking vegetables. Might even have a soda. Or I'll be in some dystopian prison singing Promised Land [1] by Elvis Presley and throwing my shit at the wall. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    > Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). "Fuck the poor." I'm glad we got this far. "Oh it is democratic" to "yeah poor people are parasites who deserve to be crushed under my boot" in like six comments. Be honest and start there next time.
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UncleMeat 4y ago

> Like I've already stated, if you want to participate in Bitcoin but mining is out of range, go offer services and/or products for Bitcoin and earn it (I've done it happily, and have paid others for their services using it, too). Nobody owes you Bitcoin. "If you want to vote in a nation where only landowners vote, go offer services and/or products and earn land."

rglover 4y ago
Yes. Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). It's beautiful and immediately removes the potential for parasites to thrive. That's why government/statists hate it so much. They can't just steal from people under false pretenses and have to actually provide value or something of merit (which they can't do, because they've invested their entire being into parasitism).
- roflyear 4y ago
  Bro, oligarchs would LOVE if land == vote. You can literally buy votes with capital. What a ridiculous system (and extremely undemocratic, btw!) Guess what? People who don't own land still contribute towards society. It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. If so, that is very clearly clouding your judgement on this issue. I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it (from MLM to crypto yield scams to penny stock newsletters) - they lacked the capability to criticize it b/c they needed it to be true. It's setting yourself up for a lot of pain.
- rglover 4y ago
  @roflyear > You can literally buy votes with capital. That's Ethereum, not Bitcoin. > It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. Not really. I'd like to see it succeed, though, as it can help a lot of people. > I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it I've lost no money on Bitcoin and I've been in it since ~2013 (I do a simple dollar cost averaging scheme to do a daily buy and when I can, accept it as payment for my services). I have a deep disdain for MLM schemes. I don't "need" it to be true, I'd like it to be true. If people fail to "get it," I'm not going to have an existential crisis. At worst, it will just confirm my suspicion that the majority of the world's population lacks the intelligence to free themselves from tyranny (ironically, by design via state education) and are forever-destined to be enslaved. I'll still be in my backyard picking vegetables. Might even have a soda. Or I'll be in some dystopian prison singing Promised Land [1] by Elvis Presley and throwing my shit at the wall. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  > Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). "Fuck the poor." I'm glad we got this far. "Oh it is democratic" to "yeah poor people are parasites who deserve to be crushed under my boot" in like six comments. Be honest and start there next time.
  - 4y ago