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Knowing when/where a private plane lands makes it a lot easier to stalk the passengers of that plane. This is of course entirely separate from whether such inf

Knowing when/where a private plane lands makes it a lot easier to stalk the passengers of that plane. This is of course entirely separate from whether such info was used against Musk or his family, or whether such a possibility is sufficient grounds for attempting to silence those who make it easily accessible (it's still accessible thanks to ADS-B for anyone with basic technical skills and cares enough).

jacquesm 4y ago
Conclusion: if you are concerned about stalkers do not use private planes. Because that information is out there anyway and closing the one account on Twitter is definitely not going to stop any determined stalker.
pclmulqdq 4y ago
Bernard Arnault (the new richest person in the world, and head of LVMH group) gave up his personal private jet to avoid this kind of tracking. Elon Musk can too if he wants to avoid the scrutiny.
- tpmx 4y ago
  Instead opting to rent different private jets from a fleet.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    Yes, he's not about to fly commercial first class like one of the poors. He just has a better sense of opsec than Elon Musk, and a desire to stay out of the spotlight.
    - operatingthetan 4y ago
      Have you heard of charter flights?
      - pclmulqdq 4y ago
        Yes, that's what I'm implying he does. I think LVMH also maintains a fleet of planes that he can use.
akiselev 4y ago
Step 1. Google “elon musk tail number” Step 2. Copy one of the tail numbers from the first result: “N628TS, N272BG, N502SX” Step 3. Paste one of the tail numbers into any one of the flight tracker apps. If your stalkers can’t even figure that out, you don’t have to worry about them. Otherwise… it’ll take them an extra 45 seconds compared to finding the ElonJet twitter account. Edit: for bonus points Google “site:faa.gov elon musk registration”. First result is N628TS: https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...
- mlindner 4y ago
  I can link links as well. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy The first blocks it from showing up on sites like flightradar24 which filters out LADD aircraft. The second makes it so you can't go from tail number to tracking the aircraft once the ICAO has changed and ADSB Exchange doesn't manually update their database of which pseudonymous ICAO numbers are connected to which tail numbers.
  - akiselev 4y ago
    ADS-B allows planes to track each other during flight so they don’t crash into each other. It is public because that’s the point: to broadcast their location publicly. All those FAA rules do is mask it in their own public data set that they make available. Anyone with their own data set (aka an SDR at SMO if they’re trying to stalk Musk) like ADSBExchange is not required to mask that data and any law trying force them would run afoul of the first amendment and compromise aviation, since ADS-B makes flight safer for hundreds of thousands of pilots.
    - mlindner 4y ago
      I completely agree on your first point. However on your second point you seem to be confusing two different things. There's two different systems that you're lumping together as one. The one you're talking about is LADD. Discussed here: https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd FAA even caveats themselves: > ADS-B Out transmits flight data directly from the aircraft to internet vendors not participating in the LADD program. Non-participating internet vendors collect and post all ADS-B Out flight data on the internet. To address ADS-B Out privacy concerns, the FAA has initiated the Privacy ICAO Address (PIA) program to improve the privacy of eligible aircraft. Now to your point, you're incorrect. PIA, as mentioned in that quote by the FAA, literally changes the aircraft's ICAO number to a new number and delists it from public registries. Using an SDR or the data from ADSB Exchange only gets you that psuedonomynous ID. Once that's changed again you have to stalk someone by following them to the airport and align the takeoff time of when you know they left with the new ICAO number. That's the ethically/morally/legally quesitonable aspect about all of this. More here on PIA: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy > In order to mitigate these concerns, FAA has initiated the Privacy ICAO aircraft address program with the objective of improving the privacy of aircraft operators in today's ADS-B environment by limiting the extent to which the aircraft can be quickly and easily identified by non-U.S. government entities, while ensuring there is no adverse effect on ATC services.

jacquesm 4y ago

Conclusion: if you are concerned about stalkers do not use private planes. Because that information is out there anyway and closing the one account on Twitter is definitely not going to stop any determined stalker.

pclmulqdq 4y ago

Bernard Arnault (the new richest person in the world, and head of LVMH group) gave up his personal private jet to avoid this kind of tracking. Elon Musk can too if he wants to avoid the scrutiny.

tpmx 4y ago
Instead opting to rent different private jets from a fleet.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  Yes, he's not about to fly commercial first class like one of the poors. He just has a better sense of opsec than Elon Musk, and a desire to stay out of the spotlight.
  - operatingthetan 4y ago
    Have you heard of charter flights?
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      Yes, that's what I'm implying he does. I think LVMH also maintains a fleet of planes that he can use.

akiselev 4y ago

Step 1. Google “elon musk tail number” Step 2. Copy one of the tail numbers from the first result: “N628TS, N272BG, N502SX” Step 3. Paste one of the tail numbers into any one of the flight tracker apps. If your stalkers can’t even figure that out, you don’t have to worry about them. Otherwise… it’ll take them an extra 45 seconds compared to finding the ElonJet twitter account. Edit: for bonus points Google “site:faa.gov elon musk registration”. First result is N628TS: https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...

mlindner 4y ago
I can link links as well. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy The first blocks it from showing up on sites like flightradar24 which filters out LADD aircraft. The second makes it so you can't go from tail number to tracking the aircraft once the ICAO has changed and ADSB Exchange doesn't manually update their database of which pseudonymous ICAO numbers are connected to which tail numbers.
- akiselev 4y ago
  ADS-B allows planes to track each other during flight so they don’t crash into each other. It is public because that’s the point: to broadcast their location publicly. All those FAA rules do is mask it in their own public data set that they make available. Anyone with their own data set (aka an SDR at SMO if they’re trying to stalk Musk) like ADSBExchange is not required to mask that data and any law trying force them would run afoul of the first amendment and compromise aviation, since ADS-B makes flight safer for hundreds of thousands of pilots.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    I completely agree on your first point. However on your second point you seem to be confusing two different things. There's two different systems that you're lumping together as one. The one you're talking about is LADD. Discussed here: https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd FAA even caveats themselves: > ADS-B Out transmits flight data directly from the aircraft to internet vendors not participating in the LADD program. Non-participating internet vendors collect and post all ADS-B Out flight data on the internet. To address ADS-B Out privacy concerns, the FAA has initiated the Privacy ICAO Address (PIA) program to improve the privacy of eligible aircraft. Now to your point, you're incorrect. PIA, as mentioned in that quote by the FAA, literally changes the aircraft's ICAO number to a new number and delists it from public registries. Using an SDR or the data from ADSB Exchange only gets you that psuedonomynous ID. Once that's changed again you have to stalk someone by following them to the airport and align the takeoff time of when you know they left with the new ICAO number. That's the ethically/morally/legally quesitonable aspect about all of this. More here on PIA: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy > In order to mitigate these concerns, FAA has initiated the Privacy ICAO aircraft address program with the objective of improving the privacy of aircraft operators in today's ADS-B environment by limiting the extent to which the aircraft can be quickly and easily identified by non-U.S. government entities, while ensuring there is no adverse effect on ATC services.