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> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of

> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of issues or to allow for investigation. That, to me, again, sounds very sensible. In the case of the travel plans of certain high-profile people, you know, with so many crazy folks out there, yes, sure, give the news enough of a delay so the person can safely get to their destination. The world doesn't need to know when Elon, Messi, Buttigieg, Oprah or David Letterman in real time unless they choose to disclose details.

650REDHAIR 4y ago
All billionaires should be tracked 100% of the time.
- tshaddox 4y ago
  Or they could choose to fly commercial like a destitute multimillionaire. The only reason this information is public is that they literally own the jet and the locations of aircraft in public airspace is required to be broadcast for obvious reasons.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Or just rent a jet for secret shit and send ElonJet on a wild goose chase. It’s literally in the thousands to tens of thousands.
  - riknos314 4y ago
    Flying commercial wouldn't gain Musk any anonymity. The second he sets foot in a public airport social media of all forms would be flooded with photos of him, what gate he's waiting at, etc. And that's MUCH worse for Musk because everyone and their uncle can see what gate the flight he boarded is going to disembark at, meaning a crowd of people with less-than-kind intentions would have time to gather there in advance of his arrival.
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      LAX, JFK, and several other large airports have a private entrance for the rich and famous for this reason. Rich people fly commercial, too.
- sleepybrett 4y ago
  I'll do you one better, billionaires should not allowed to exist.
femiagbabiaka 4y ago
arguments for a separate class of citizens with special speech restrictions in order to aid them is some oligarch simpery non-pareil
billiam 4y ago
This is complete idiocy. Celebrities and billionaires don't get special speech rights. There are very good reasons all aircraft are tracked publicly. If Elmo's plane ever goes down or gets hijacked he might appreciate why. According to Twitter's new "policy" any person who takes a picture of someone in front of the Eiffel tower or any recognizable place can be accused of doxxing and banned.
- _JoRo 4y ago
  I doubt the policy covers one-offs like this - I'm guessing it's more for continuous tracking.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    You can read the policy. This example is in fact an actionable offense if they decide they want to enforce it.
- robomartin 4y ago
  > This is complete idiocy. I think calling someone an idiot is against HN policy...but, what do I know, I am obviously an idiot. That said. OK, well, let's publish everyone's travel plans. Name, flight, seat, from/to, etc. Make the system 100% open to for anyone to see who is travelling, where and when. You know, so folks profiting from breaking into homes while people are travelling can be more efficient in their scheduling. In our neighborhood we've had a few cases of homes being burglarized when people travelled out of town and posted about it on Facebook. Lots of people are not aware that they might be posting to the entire universe. Those wonderful pictures of your vacation in Hawaii let smart crooks know you are not home in Los Angeles. I am 100% certain everyone would be against their personal, family and business travel itineraries being posted in a publicly accessible website or database in real time. Understandably so. Why, then, is it to that this is OK for those who might be obvious targets of violence and other potentially negative outcomes? One argument I saw in this thread is about not creating special rules for a small group of people. Fine with that. Let's publish everyone's travel plans then. Or, on the other hand, have the common sense to understand that personal safety is important to everyone and move to make posting such information illegal and protect everyone, no matter their station in life. I get it that on HN there exist a subgroup of people who are millionaire/billionaire haters. Good for you! Enjoy the hatred. That group aside, once common sense enters the room, it is generally clear that privacy is good for everyone, regardless of who they might be. As much as I dislike politicians, this should also extend to them. Yes, of course, their travel details should be released and made available for all to review. However, this can be done well after the fact. Safety first. For everyone.
giaour 4y ago
Aircraft location data cannot be "delayed" for some very obvious public safety reasons. The FAA requires that every aircraft loudly announce itself at all times unless they're on the ground.
- robomartin 4y ago
  I can understand that this information must be real time for aircraft flight control purposes. Not sure what the laws, requirements or practices say about the entire universe knowing where any aircraft might be in real time. I mean, if a bad guy wanted to aim a SAM at any given aircraft and this data is live and real-time... Again, I don't know how this works in terms of the law. Opinions don't matter. What's the law?
  - giaour 4y ago
    https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_43-6D.pdf https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/... is a relevant FAA regulation. US civilian aviation rules require that an on-craft transponder emit altitude and location information so that other craft can avoid collisions. Obviously, this makes aircraft more vulnerable to surface to air missiles. Thankfully, that's a vanishingly remote threat, so the FAA has decided that valuing collision avoidance over missile evasion is the correct set of priorities. I don't know how this would work in situations where surface to air missiles are a real threat, but I would guess military aircraft only follow civilian rules when it doesn't compromise their mission. As far as "the entire universe knowing," I think the relevant legal principle at play is that there's no expectation of privacy associated with flying a private aircraft (for the reasons stated above). Airpsace is a shared, national security-sensitive resource, civilian regulators get to set the rules governing use.
    - robomartin 4y ago
      Maybe the argument is or should be about who is on a plane rather than where the plane might be. Expanding the concept beyond Elon, I personally don't like the idea of anyone being hounded by elements unknown just because of being famous. Do actors have the right to travel with their kids an not be mauled? I think they should have that right. There seems to be this general idea these days that acting like a complete jerk and without one ounce of civility is now acceptable. Harass people at restaurants, threaten to hurt politicians and their families, stalk actors and celebrities, burn down entire business districts, etc. What the hell is wrong with people?

650REDHAIR 4y ago

All billionaires should be tracked 100% of the time.

tshaddox 4y ago
Or they could choose to fly commercial like a destitute multimillionaire. The only reason this information is public is that they literally own the jet and the locations of aircraft in public airspace is required to be broadcast for obvious reasons.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Or just rent a jet for secret shit and send ElonJet on a wild goose chase. It’s literally in the thousands to tens of thousands.
- riknos314 4y ago
  Flying commercial wouldn't gain Musk any anonymity. The second he sets foot in a public airport social media of all forms would be flooded with photos of him, what gate he's waiting at, etc. And that's MUCH worse for Musk because everyone and their uncle can see what gate the flight he boarded is going to disembark at, meaning a crowd of people with less-than-kind intentions would have time to gather there in advance of his arrival.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    LAX, JFK, and several other large airports have a private entrance for the rich and famous for this reason. Rich people fly commercial, too.
sleepybrett 4y ago
I'll do you one better, billionaires should not allowed to exist.

femiagbabiaka 4y ago

arguments for a separate class of citizens with special speech restrictions in order to aid them is some oligarch simpery non-pareil

billiam 4y ago

This is complete idiocy. Celebrities and billionaires don't get special speech rights. There are very good reasons all aircraft are tracked publicly. If Elmo's plane ever goes down or gets hijacked he might appreciate why. According to Twitter's new "policy" any person who takes a picture of someone in front of the Eiffel tower or any recognizable place can be accused of doxxing and banned.

_JoRo 4y ago
I doubt the policy covers one-offs like this - I'm guessing it's more for continuous tracking.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  You can read the policy. This example is in fact an actionable offense if they decide they want to enforce it.
robomartin 4y ago
> This is complete idiocy. I think calling someone an idiot is against HN policy...but, what do I know, I am obviously an idiot. That said. OK, well, let's publish everyone's travel plans. Name, flight, seat, from/to, etc. Make the system 100% open to for anyone to see who is travelling, where and when. You know, so folks profiting from breaking into homes while people are travelling can be more efficient in their scheduling. In our neighborhood we've had a few cases of homes being burglarized when people travelled out of town and posted about it on Facebook. Lots of people are not aware that they might be posting to the entire universe. Those wonderful pictures of your vacation in Hawaii let smart crooks know you are not home in Los Angeles. I am 100% certain everyone would be against their personal, family and business travel itineraries being posted in a publicly accessible website or database in real time. Understandably so. Why, then, is it to that this is OK for those who might be obvious targets of violence and other potentially negative outcomes? One argument I saw in this thread is about not creating special rules for a small group of people. Fine with that. Let's publish everyone's travel plans then. Or, on the other hand, have the common sense to understand that personal safety is important to everyone and move to make posting such information illegal and protect everyone, no matter their station in life. I get it that on HN there exist a subgroup of people who are millionaire/billionaire haters. Good for you! Enjoy the hatred. That group aside, once common sense enters the room, it is generally clear that privacy is good for everyone, regardless of who they might be. As much as I dislike politicians, this should also extend to them. Yes, of course, their travel details should be released and made available for all to review. However, this can be done well after the fact. Safety first. For everyone.

giaour 4y ago

Aircraft location data cannot be "delayed" for some very obvious public safety reasons. The FAA requires that every aircraft loudly announce itself at all times unless they're on the ground.

robomartin 4y ago
I can understand that this information must be real time for aircraft flight control purposes. Not sure what the laws, requirements or practices say about the entire universe knowing where any aircraft might be in real time. I mean, if a bad guy wanted to aim a SAM at any given aircraft and this data is live and real-time... Again, I don't know how this works in terms of the law. Opinions don't matter. What's the law?
- giaour 4y ago
  https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_43-6D.pdf https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/... is a relevant FAA regulation. US civilian aviation rules require that an on-craft transponder emit altitude and location information so that other craft can avoid collisions. Obviously, this makes aircraft more vulnerable to surface to air missiles. Thankfully, that's a vanishingly remote threat, so the FAA has decided that valuing collision avoidance over missile evasion is the correct set of priorities. I don't know how this would work in situations where surface to air missiles are a real threat, but I would guess military aircraft only follow civilian rules when it doesn't compromise their mission. As far as "the entire universe knowing," I think the relevant legal principle at play is that there's no expectation of privacy associated with flying a private aircraft (for the reasons stated above). Airpsace is a shared, national security-sensitive resource, civilian regulators get to set the rules governing use.
  - robomartin 4y ago
    Maybe the argument is or should be about who is on a plane rather than where the plane might be. Expanding the concept beyond Elon, I personally don't like the idea of anyone being hounded by elements unknown just because of being famous. Do actors have the right to travel with their kids an not be mauled? I think they should have that right. There seems to be this general idea these days that acting like a complete jerk and without one ounce of civility is now acceptable. Harass people at restaurants, threaten to hurt politicians and their families, stalk actors and celebrities, burn down entire business districts, etc. What the hell is wrong with people?