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Humans are as evil of a creature that will ever exist, I think. Reading about this, as well as some much more contemporary tortured killing that happens around

Humans are as evil of a creature that will ever exist, I think. Reading about this, as well as some much more contemporary tortured killing that happens around the world has me convinced that humanity is the worst thing which has ever existed. Not only are we unfit to exist, I feel we are entirely and completely unworthy of existing, or of becoming a species that spreads to other worlds for colonization. we just don't deserve to persist. and because of who we are as a species, I don't think we will last very long at all.

AS37 4y ago
Maybe you should talk to someone. Someone not on the internet.
- naikrovek 4y ago
  I don't need to talk to anyone; I'm neither suicidal nor homicidal. what I am, is this: aware of how shitty people are to each other, at almost all times. all it takes to end a marriage or a decades-long friendship is a bit of money, or a small opportunity, sometimes. slavery is more common today than it ever has been, it's just all underground now, instead of out in the open. dictators exist and make millions upon millions suffer each day because they can't let go of their power, and those same dictators are surrounded by people who would gladly assassinate that dictator if it meant they could become the new dictator. I've seen people I work with become absolutely drunk with power when they get a new job title; so drunk with power that once I witnessed a power-tripping "team lead" push someone down a flight of stairs because that person printed six pages instead of the weekly quota of five. people are self-destructive, power-hungry, and evil. prone to violence, and many seem to need to feel superior so much that they will make a mountain out of anything just so they can climb it and look down derisively at others. we are an absolutely garbage species. I don't need to do anything to help our destruction along, nor does anyone else. we are all contributing to the demise of our species already, as part of daily life.
  - heliodor 4y ago
    What about the good parts? Or do you only focus on the bad?
    - chasil 4y ago
      To be a misanthrope is sometimes its own reward.
khazhoux 4y ago
> Humans are as evil of a creature that will ever exist This is tautological, as we're the only lifeform capable of any evil.
armatav 4y ago
Get a therapist - you’ve let the “humies are bad” meme get to your head. There’s a lot of current day love offsetting arbitrary historical torture sessions.
chasil 4y ago
I think that you are judging the situation too harshly. More than 99% of all species that have existed are extinct. Did something make them worthy of existence? More worthy than us? What conveys this worthiness? The sun will burn off the atmosphere somewhere between .5-1billion years from now. Humans understand the problem, and our progeny might be able to adjust orbital mechanics to add life to our earth. We are the only species that has ever existed here that is capable of contemplating or acting on this problem. Does that make us worthy? The answer to both questions is no. Worthiness comes from within you, and you do what you want with it. I cannot give you worthiness; you must find it within yourself.
- Nifty3929 4y ago
  I am sad that I can only offer a single upvote.
  - chasil 4y ago
    Your thoughtfulness is deeply appreciated.
- naikrovek 4y ago
  what makes us unfit and unworthy as a species is our nature as humans, an example of which is the communally accepted extraction of value of one group of humans by another group of humans. some examples: - the British extraction of colonial resources (at the heavy expense of the colonized) of literally every single British colony, ever. (I'm primarily thinking of India and Africa, here.) How many millions died due to British imperialism solely because keeping those people alive was less profitable than letting them starve? The British are joined by the French and the Spanish, here, if I'm being semi-inclusive. - systemic racism. - war for oil (war for money). - class warfare, where the rich create policies and laws to keep themselves rich, and to make it more difficult for others to become rich. - caste systems. - the ultra-rich when contrasted against the ultra-poor. if humans were worth anything, extreme wealth inequality as seen today would never happen, ever. it simply would not be tolerated. - slavery. it would be one thing if humans simply didn't care about each other, but we take it several steps away from apathy deeply into malevolence: humanity will gladly devour entire races of other humans for land, or money, or power. I don't think animals do that, even on small scales. leaders of small ape communities sometimes do things like this against an individual or two, but it doesn't become part of the culture of entire swaths of that species as it does with us. you may not live in a country with a caste system, but I bet you know what it is. you may not live in a country ravaged by the British, but I bet you know what they did. these things are familiar to us because we are familiar with ourselves at that level. we accept these things as they are happening instead of challenging these systems and stopping them. our global culture knows what happens around the world, generally speaking, and our global culture does VERY little, if anything, to make any real changes to any of this. a species worthy of existence would go well out of its way to right these wrongs. human life has inherent value, and if you are reading this, and you think it does not, you are an example of why we do not deserve to succeed as a species. yes, MY worth is determined by me. and the worthiness of the collective species is determined by the collective species, and we are simply not worthy of leaving this planet or even surviving on this one. we care about power. we care about money because it grants power. we somehow deeply NEED to feel superior to others, so we create systems which grant the power we crave. we "eat our own tail" by doing this, and will ultimately destroy ourselves, because no one is willing to care about it once they have attained any position of power over others. no one wants to give up their power to benefit others, so they don't, and we continue to demonstrate ourselves as a species unworthy of note, even on our home planet.
xvilka 4y ago
We are fleas of the planet, a malign infestation, a disease.
- chasil 4y ago
  Actually, you are describing the "oxygen catastrophe," when prokaryotes poisoned themselves. "No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event
pyuser583 4y ago
> Humans are as evil of a creature that will ever exist, I think. As you yourself said a few comments ago, this is a tautology: humans are the only creatures capable of evil.
- croo 4y ago
  Uhh.... Humans are the only creatures that can categorise stuff by moral labels. Lots of species are perfectly capable of doing evil things.
Tagbert 4y ago
Chimpanzees will chew off the hands, feet, genitals of chimps from other troops when they capture them. Lions and other predators each animals alive. Wolves will kill outsiders not of their pack. Humans are not uniquely violent.
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AS37 4y ago

Maybe you should talk to someone. Someone not on the internet.

naikrovek 4y ago
I don't need to talk to anyone; I'm neither suicidal nor homicidal. what I am, is this: aware of how shitty people are to each other, at almost all times. all it takes to end a marriage or a decades-long friendship is a bit of money, or a small opportunity, sometimes. slavery is more common today than it ever has been, it's just all underground now, instead of out in the open. dictators exist and make millions upon millions suffer each day because they can't let go of their power, and those same dictators are surrounded by people who would gladly assassinate that dictator if it meant they could become the new dictator. I've seen people I work with become absolutely drunk with power when they get a new job title; so drunk with power that once I witnessed a power-tripping "team lead" push someone down a flight of stairs because that person printed six pages instead of the weekly quota of five. people are self-destructive, power-hungry, and evil. prone to violence, and many seem to need to feel superior so much that they will make a mountain out of anything just so they can climb it and look down derisively at others. we are an absolutely garbage species. I don't need to do anything to help our destruction along, nor does anyone else. we are all contributing to the demise of our species already, as part of daily life.
- heliodor 4y ago
  What about the good parts? Or do you only focus on the bad?
  - chasil 4y ago
    To be a misanthrope is sometimes its own reward.

khazhoux 4y ago

> Humans are as evil of a creature that will ever exist This is tautological, as we're the only lifeform capable of any evil.

armatav 4y ago

Get a therapist - you’ve let the “humies are bad” meme get to your head. There’s a lot of current day love offsetting arbitrary historical torture sessions.

chasil 4y ago

I think that you are judging the situation too harshly. More than 99% of all species that have existed are extinct. Did something make them worthy of existence? More worthy than us? What conveys this worthiness? The sun will burn off the atmosphere somewhere between .5-1billion years from now. Humans understand the problem, and our progeny might be able to adjust orbital mechanics to add life to our earth. We are the only species that has ever existed here that is capable of contemplating or acting on this problem. Does that make us worthy? The answer to both questions is no. Worthiness comes from within you, and you do what you want with it. I cannot give you worthiness; you must find it within yourself.

Nifty3929 4y ago
I am sad that I can only offer a single upvote.
- chasil 4y ago
  Your thoughtfulness is deeply appreciated.
naikrovek 4y ago
what makes us unfit and unworthy as a species is our nature as humans, an example of which is the communally accepted extraction of value of one group of humans by another group of humans. some examples: - the British extraction of colonial resources (at the heavy expense of the colonized) of literally every single British colony, ever. (I'm primarily thinking of India and Africa, here.) How many millions died due to British imperialism solely because keeping those people alive was less profitable than letting them starve? The British are joined by the French and the Spanish, here, if I'm being semi-inclusive. - systemic racism. - war for oil (war for money). - class warfare, where the rich create policies and laws to keep themselves rich, and to make it more difficult for others to become rich. - caste systems. - the ultra-rich when contrasted against the ultra-poor. if humans were worth anything, extreme wealth inequality as seen today would never happen, ever. it simply would not be tolerated. - slavery. it would be one thing if humans simply didn't care about each other, but we take it several steps away from apathy deeply into malevolence: humanity will gladly devour entire races of other humans for land, or money, or power. I don't think animals do that, even on small scales. leaders of small ape communities sometimes do things like this against an individual or two, but it doesn't become part of the culture of entire swaths of that species as it does with us. you may not live in a country with a caste system, but I bet you know what it is. you may not live in a country ravaged by the British, but I bet you know what they did. these things are familiar to us because we are familiar with ourselves at that level. we accept these things as they are happening instead of challenging these systems and stopping them. our global culture knows what happens around the world, generally speaking, and our global culture does VERY little, if anything, to make any real changes to any of this. a species worthy of existence would go well out of its way to right these wrongs. human life has inherent value, and if you are reading this, and you think it does not, you are an example of why we do not deserve to succeed as a species. yes, MY worth is determined by me. and the worthiness of the collective species is determined by the collective species, and we are simply not worthy of leaving this planet or even surviving on this one. we care about power. we care about money because it grants power. we somehow deeply NEED to feel superior to others, so we create systems which grant the power we crave. we "eat our own tail" by doing this, and will ultimately destroy ourselves, because no one is willing to care about it once they have attained any position of power over others. no one wants to give up their power to benefit others, so they don't, and we continue to demonstrate ourselves as a species unworthy of note, even on our home planet.

xvilka 4y ago

We are fleas of the planet, a malign infestation, a disease.

chasil 4y ago
Actually, you are describing the "oxygen catastrophe," when prokaryotes poisoned themselves. "No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event

pyuser583 4y ago

> Humans are as evil of a creature that will ever exist, I think. As you yourself said a few comments ago, this is a tautology: humans are the only creatures capable of evil.

croo 4y ago
Uhh.... Humans are the only creatures that can categorise stuff by moral labels. Lots of species are perfectly capable of doing evil things.

Tagbert 4y ago

Chimpanzees will chew off the hands, feet, genitals of chimps from other troops when they capture them. Lions and other predators each animals alive. Wolves will kill outsiders not of their pack. Humans are not uniquely violent.

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