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IMO if it's open to abuse then it wasn't properly designed. And If its being abused even while not open to interpretations then its not enforceable, which also

IMO if it's open to abuse then it wasn't properly designed. And If its being abused even while not open to interpretations then its not enforceable, which also means its a bad design. I feel like people give a pass and even defend it because it had good intentions. Clearly it wasn't well thought and people should criticize it more instead. Bad execution can ruin good ideas. Of course there are other good things on GDPR as a whole but this cookie consent thing was a disaster. I live in the EU but use a VPN routing my connections to a nearby non-eu country to have an overall better browsing experience.

troad 4y ago
> Bad execution can ruin good ideas. There’s no good idea that the EU won’t find some way to execute poorly, alas.
- unity1001 4y ago
  There are zillions of good ideas that the Eu mandated - ideas which you dont even notice because they became parts of your daily life. They range from the obligation that food producers must have all the ingredients clearly listed in their products to the expiration dates. From no-spam laws to right to repair. What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear.
  - troad 4y ago
    I grew up in Australia. We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels. What developed country doesn’t have expiration dates? The EU is great at taking credit for things it had very little to do with. Sometimes it’s obvious things that happen elsewhere without the EU (expiration dates on food), sometimes it’s the work of other organisations (like NATO). “Oh, there’s peace in Europe? Yeah, the EU did that. Oh, there’s war in Europe? Hmm, more EU should fix that.” > What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear. I’m a euro-federalist, so I doubt the Daily Mirror would be interested. The EU is a mixed bag and I want it to do better. Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little about seems unconstructive.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      > We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels A large part of the world adopted such rules after the Eu implemented them. The Eu is seen as the leader and standard in these things. Eu implemented consumer protections, everyone else in OECD also did. Eu implemented EUVAT, OECD countries are also doing it. Also various US states. Eu implemented GDPR, and suddenly from Brazil to US every other country or state has their own GDPR. Now the Eu has its digital gatekeepers law. Watch how long will it take for other OECD countries to adopt similar laws. > Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little Sorry but we are on public internet. We dont have the time to sit and get to know people. If you are talking like the people from a certain group, then its normal that people respond to you as if you were from that group. Moreover, the culture that people grow up in affects their perspective greatly. Not surprisingly, having grown in an Anglosaxon country seems to have shaped your perspective too.
      - irusensei 4y ago
        Brazilian here. GDPR is the only example in your list that is factual and that's because Europe requirements for market agreements. It was passed mainly to be able to establish trade with the EU. We had most of these other things before EU even existed. Brazilian's Código de Defesa do Consumidor dates from 1990. Expiration dates are such a common thing worldwide its not even worth searching on there internet. A quality assurance institution named INMETRO exists since the 70s testing everything from condoms reliability to reporting small parts in children's toys. Brazil also pioneered net neutrality one year before the EU. Talking about culture perspective you seem to admire the EU regulatory frame and that's fine but as I said before nothing is perfect and its totally ok to criticize something that is poorly conceived even if intentions were good.
        Jensson 4y ago
        I think they mean EU countries. EU laws are mostly laws from specific countries that bubbles up to the union. Regulations along these lines has existed in Europe for over a century.
unity1001 4y ago
> IMO if it's open to abuse then it wasn't properly designed Its not open to abuse. Its just that the US corporations are violating its articles. > Clearly it wasn't well thought It was well thought out. It mandates easy Accept / Reject for tracking. Just one click. Tell the users what you will track. And allow them to choose if they want to. The route that the US corps. took is no different from how they go around and violate laws in their home turf. They think that they can do the same with civil law. But it doesn't work that way. Eventually one will get busted for not obliging with the articles of the law.
- irusensei 4y ago
  You've over skimmed the part where I wrote if its unenforceable then its also a poorly conceived rule.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    Its pretty enforceable. It is enforced for large corporations promptly, and you would be surprised, but if someone reports a small website from an individual or small corporation, they also get the law applied to them. Eu's enforcement website has a lot of local businesses and individuals who had collected people's emails without their permission (buying them from warez sites etc), sending out spam emails then got fined for violating GDPR for collecting data without the knowledge and consent of those people.

troad 4y ago

> Bad execution can ruin good ideas. There’s no good idea that the EU won’t find some way to execute poorly, alas.

unity1001 4y ago
There are zillions of good ideas that the Eu mandated - ideas which you dont even notice because they became parts of your daily life. They range from the obligation that food producers must have all the ingredients clearly listed in their products to the expiration dates. From no-spam laws to right to repair. What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear.
- troad 4y ago
  I grew up in Australia. We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels. What developed country doesn’t have expiration dates? The EU is great at taking credit for things it had very little to do with. Sometimes it’s obvious things that happen elsewhere without the EU (expiration dates on food), sometimes it’s the work of other organisations (like NATO). “Oh, there’s peace in Europe? Yeah, the EU did that. Oh, there’s war in Europe? Hmm, more EU should fix that.” > What you say just sounds like Daily Mirror grade smear. I’m a euro-federalist, so I doubt the Daily Mirror would be interested. The EU is a mixed bag and I want it to do better. Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little about seems unconstructive.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > We somehow mysteriously managed to have expiration dates on food too, despite our distance from Brussels A large part of the world adopted such rules after the Eu implemented them. The Eu is seen as the leader and standard in these things. Eu implemented consumer protections, everyone else in OECD also did. Eu implemented EUVAT, OECD countries are also doing it. Also various US states. Eu implemented GDPR, and suddenly from Brazil to US every other country or state has their own GDPR. Now the Eu has its digital gatekeepers law. Watch how long will it take for other OECD countries to adopt similar laws. > Reflexively attacking people whose views you know very little Sorry but we are on public internet. We dont have the time to sit and get to know people. If you are talking like the people from a certain group, then its normal that people respond to you as if you were from that group. Moreover, the culture that people grow up in affects their perspective greatly. Not surprisingly, having grown in an Anglosaxon country seems to have shaped your perspective too.
    - irusensei 4y ago
      Brazilian here. GDPR is the only example in your list that is factual and that's because Europe requirements for market agreements. It was passed mainly to be able to establish trade with the EU. We had most of these other things before EU even existed. Brazilian's Código de Defesa do Consumidor dates from 1990. Expiration dates are such a common thing worldwide its not even worth searching on there internet. A quality assurance institution named INMETRO exists since the 70s testing everything from condoms reliability to reporting small parts in children's toys. Brazil also pioneered net neutrality one year before the EU. Talking about culture perspective you seem to admire the EU regulatory frame and that's fine but as I said before nothing is perfect and its totally ok to criticize something that is poorly conceived even if intentions were good.
      - Jensson 4y ago
        I think they mean EU countries. EU laws are mostly laws from specific countries that bubbles up to the union. Regulations along these lines has existed in Europe for over a century.

unity1001 4y ago

> IMO if it's open to abuse then it wasn't properly designed Its not open to abuse. Its just that the US corporations are violating its articles. > Clearly it wasn't well thought It was well thought out. It mandates easy Accept / Reject for tracking. Just one click. Tell the users what you will track. And allow them to choose if they want to. The route that the US corps. took is no different from how they go around and violate laws in their home turf. They think that they can do the same with civil law. But it doesn't work that way. Eventually one will get busted for not obliging with the articles of the law.

irusensei 4y ago
You've over skimmed the part where I wrote if its unenforceable then its also a poorly conceived rule.
- unity1001 4y ago
  Its pretty enforceable. It is enforced for large corporations promptly, and you would be surprised, but if someone reports a small website from an individual or small corporation, they also get the law applied to them. Eu's enforcement website has a lot of local businesses and individuals who had collected people's emails without their permission (buying them from warez sites etc), sending out spam emails then got fined for violating GDPR for collecting data without the knowledge and consent of those people.