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I wonder how does Elon expect any journalist to follow these rules? Big chunk of information from press is reporting on public figures location and sometimes th

by SXX 4y ago

I wonder how does Elon expect any journalist to follow these rules? Big chunk of information from press is reporting on public figures location and sometimes this include reporting in real time.

ipqk 4y ago
"Content that shares location information related to a public engagement or event, such as a concert or political event, is also permitted."
- testfrequency 4y ago
  Thank god artists can still post their set times, was worried about freedom of speech for a second there. The new Twitter is just Elon being offended and abusing his power, then retweeting and liking single tweets that validate his current mood
  - deleted 4y ago
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- SXX 4y ago
  According to these rules journalists are no longer allowed to publicly share information about Elon going to visit his Saudi creditors since it's wont be public event. Nice!
  - surrealize 4y ago
    They can, just not in real time. "Tweets that share someone else’s historical (not same-day) location information are also not prohibited by this policy."
    - SXX 4y ago
      Yes. According to Twitter policy there must be "24 hours" delay since it's only way to follow "not same-day" rule. This will obviously makes Twitter useless for any news reporting.
      - belorn 4y ago
        Could you give an example from today's news which would be in violation of that rule?
        SXX 4y ago
        Any social network post from celebrity X who mention they just seen celebrity Y on a private party of celebrity Z? According to Elon this information about him cannot be shared on Twitter. PS: I'm not exactly into US celebrities, but I'm very much into stalking Putin and his cronies using OSINT reporting on Twitter. Now anyone who publicly share their movements can be banned.
        drstewart 4y ago
        Sounds great. Maybe this will end the leeches that are paparazzis.
        rideontime 4y ago
        Police shootings.
        mikeyouse 4y ago
        This Tweet from a few days ago about a former NFL coach visiting Stanford would seem to violate it; https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1600993384851652608 https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1600993384851652608 Maybe not a technical violation since it said "earlier today" -- but a random student tweeting the same right after seeing him on campus would get the account suspended? A fan saying "OMG, just saw Kanye at the Whole Foods in El Segundo" would be worthy of suspension? News stories about various public officials secret trips for negotiations would be worthy of suspension? Doesn't seem very "free speechey" to me.
        roywiggins 4y ago
        Or just posting that you ran into your good friend Bob this morning and roughly where would presumptively be in violation, Twitter would have no way of knowing whether Bob consented for that information to be published.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    That's the one case where I can see this as a good thing (for the journalists). Just keep them away from the embassy...
  - jwond 4y ago
    > Tweets that share someone else’s historical (not same-day) location information are also not prohibited by this policy. Seems like the rules would allow journalists to share a story reporting if Elon Musk visited any Saudi creditors, but if they include the location of the meeting in their reporting then they wouldn’t be allowed to post it on Twitter until after the meeting.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  Is using a public airport an engagement? "an arrangement to do something or go somewhere at a fixed time."
- giaour 4y ago
  That is not sufficient. Is getting arrested a "public engagement"? Is appearing as a defendant in court?
cfpg 4y ago
Well, in the next hour, a journalist is going to get banned, a campaign will come up to get them unbanned, and Twitter will change the rule. We'll be fine.
- rnk 4y ago
  More likely is Elon will post something that gives someone's location away and then they'll adjust it.
  - denlekke 4y ago
    why adjust when they can just enforce the rules subjectively at will
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      I think because appearances matter. Not only does he want to enforce his will, he wants to do it in such a way that he comes off looking good.
- nwiswell 4y ago
  "this is fine"
canadianfella 4y ago
giaour 4y ago
"Reporting that Elon Musk is being arraigned at LA County Court House violates our ban on live location reporting."
- deleted 4y ago
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coffeeblack 4y ago
That’s nonsense.
deleted 4y ago
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baby 4y ago
Important question: does journalism need to be live information?
- JetSpiegel 4y ago
  Journalism without live information is just History. The point is to be able to affect outcomes.
  - baby 4y ago
    I mean, I have a hard time finding issues with 24h or 7 days delayed journalism for small news. If you’re covering war, or the government, or something of public utility I can understand a live coverage tho

by SXX 4y ago

I wonder how does Elon expect any journalist to follow these rules? Big chunk of information from press is reporting on public figures location and sometimes this include reporting in real time.

ipqk 4y ago

"Content that shares location information related to a public engagement or event, such as a concert or political event, is also permitted."

testfrequency 4y ago
Thank god artists can still post their set times, was worried about freedom of speech for a second there. The new Twitter is just Elon being offended and abusing his power, then retweeting and liking single tweets that validate his current mood
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
SXX 4y ago
According to these rules journalists are no longer allowed to publicly share information about Elon going to visit his Saudi creditors since it's wont be public event. Nice!
- surrealize 4y ago
  They can, just not in real time. "Tweets that share someone else’s historical (not same-day) location information are also not prohibited by this policy."
  - SXX 4y ago
    Yes. According to Twitter policy there must be "24 hours" delay since it's only way to follow "not same-day" rule. This will obviously makes Twitter useless for any news reporting.
    - belorn 4y ago
      Could you give an example from today's news which would be in violation of that rule?
      - SXX 4y ago
        Any social network post from celebrity X who mention they just seen celebrity Y on a private party of celebrity Z? According to Elon this information about him cannot be shared on Twitter. PS: I'm not exactly into US celebrities, but I'm very much into stalking Putin and his cronies using OSINT reporting on Twitter. Now anyone who publicly share their movements can be banned.
        drstewart 4y ago
        Sounds great. Maybe this will end the leeches that are paparazzis.
      - rideontime 4y ago
        Police shootings.
      - mikeyouse 4y ago
        This Tweet from a few days ago about a former NFL coach visiting Stanford would seem to violate it; https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1600993384851652608 https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1600993384851652608 Maybe not a technical violation since it said "earlier today" -- but a random student tweeting the same right after seeing him on campus would get the account suspended? A fan saying "OMG, just saw Kanye at the Whole Foods in El Segundo" would be worthy of suspension? News stories about various public officials secret trips for negotiations would be worthy of suspension? Doesn't seem very "free speechey" to me.
        roywiggins 4y ago
        Or just posting that you ran into your good friend Bob this morning and roughly where would presumptively be in violation, Twitter would have no way of knowing whether Bob consented for that information to be published.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  That's the one case where I can see this as a good thing (for the journalists). Just keep them away from the embassy...
- jwond 4y ago
  > Tweets that share someone else’s historical (not same-day) location information are also not prohibited by this policy. Seems like the rules would allow journalists to share a story reporting if Elon Musk visited any Saudi creditors, but if they include the location of the meeting in their reporting then they wouldn’t be allowed to post it on Twitter until after the meeting.
maxerickson 4y ago
Is using a public airport an engagement? "an arrangement to do something or go somewhere at a fixed time."
giaour 4y ago
That is not sufficient. Is getting arrested a "public engagement"? Is appearing as a defendant in court?

cfpg 4y ago

Well, in the next hour, a journalist is going to get banned, a campaign will come up to get them unbanned, and Twitter will change the rule. We'll be fine.

rnk 4y ago
More likely is Elon will post something that gives someone's location away and then they'll adjust it.
- denlekke 4y ago
  why adjust when they can just enforce the rules subjectively at will
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    I think because appearances matter. Not only does he want to enforce his will, he wants to do it in such a way that he comes off looking good.
nwiswell 4y ago
"this is fine"

canadianfella 4y ago

giaour 4y ago

"Reporting that Elon Musk is being arraigned at LA County Court House violates our ban on live location reporting."

deleted 4y ago
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coffeeblack 4y ago

That’s nonsense.

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baby 4y ago

Important question: does journalism need to be live information?

JetSpiegel 4y ago
Journalism without live information is just History. The point is to be able to affect outcomes.
- baby 4y ago
  I mean, I have a hard time finding issues with 24h or 7 days delayed journalism for small news. If you’re covering war, or the government, or something of public utility I can understand a live coverage tho