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> Isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Clearly no one on iOS is using the real FF now The market is much larger than just iOS. > I assume we'd even get some

> Isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Clearly no one on iOS is using the real FF now The market is much larger than just iOS. > I assume we'd even get some takers for Safari on Android And what do you imagine the share of FF is on Android (vs. what it actually is)?

blacksmith_tb 4y ago
Yes, it is larger than iOS (which is why I mentioned Safari on Android as a counterexample), but then Android users can already install Blink or Gecko-based browsers, unlike iOS users? As for what I imagine, that's a cheerfully unpleasant way to phrase that, I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range (but it's still far superior to Chrome or even Brave/Vivaldi/Opera due to its support for extensions, most users don't know what they're missing).
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range So. Back to my statement of fact: Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox. There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop. It is relevant to those people. And you’re focusing too much on percentages, we’re talking about 150 MILLIONS people worldwide. https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > It is relevant to those people. Literally doesn't matter for my original comment > And you’re focusing too much on percentages Percentages matter for the health of the browser ecosystem. Which is, and I repeat myself: - Chrome with overwhelming dominance. Which led to Chrome literally shitting all over the standards processes and doing whatever it feels like - A very, very, very distant second Safari - Firefox which rapidly slides into obscurity That is it. There's nothing else. It's a objective, verifiable monopoly by Chrome.

blacksmith_tb 4y ago

Yes, it is larger than iOS (which is why I mentioned Safari on Android as a counterexample), but then Android users can already install Blink or Gecko-based browsers, unlike iOS users? As for what I imagine, that's a cheerfully unpleasant way to phrase that, I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range (but it's still far superior to Chrome or even Brave/Vivaldi/Opera due to its support for extensions, most users don't know what they're missing).

dmitriid 4y ago
> I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range So. Back to my statement of fact: Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox. There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop. It is relevant to those people. And you’re focusing too much on percentages, we’re talking about 150 MILLIONS people worldwide. https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > It is relevant to those people. Literally doesn't matter for my original comment > And you’re focusing too much on percentages Percentages matter for the health of the browser ecosystem. Which is, and I repeat myself: - Chrome with overwhelming dominance. Which led to Chrome literally shitting all over the standards processes and doing whatever it feels like - A very, very, very distant second Safari - Firefox which rapidly slides into obscurity That is it. There's nothing else. It's a objective, verifiable monopoly by Chrome.