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>> Violence like that described in the article often does not happen organically > So what if we go back even further? > Spanish Inquisition? Crusades? Genghi

>> Violence like that described in the article often does not happen organically > So what if we go back even further? > Spanish Inquisition? Crusades? Genghis khan slaying anyone in his path? Colonialism? I did not say that mass media is always is the only driver of violence. What's important is that in the modern era, mass media has often driven violence, as it did in this case. Your original comment made the assertion that Facebook did not cause this outcome, because the murder would have happened anyway, whether or not Facebook was involved. My point was that there are many examples where mass media has inspired ethnic violence that wouldn't have happened anyway without the mass media's involvement—so it shouldn't be surprising that in this case these Facebook posts inspired violence that wouldn't have happened anyway. Are you really asserting that the plaintiff's father would have been killed even if the Facebook post in question hadn't been made? Or if Facebook hadn't existed, somehow the same people would have been inspired to kill the same man?

gretch 4y ago
>Or if Facebook hadn't existed, somehow the same people would have been inspired to kill the same man? Yes absolutely I am directly saying this and imo your points support my argument. When there is no Facebook, ppl use the radio to incite violence. When there is no radio, ppl use newspapers to incite and organize violence. And when there is no newspapers, ppl find a way to get their hate killing done anyway. There’s thousands of years of examples. I don’t know what definition you are using for the word “often” but it seems like it’s not the usual definition of being frequency based. This is because, again, thousands of years of human ethnic violence happened where humans didn’t not have the capability of broadcast media. If we just count up the number of data points, it doesn’t make sense to apply the word “often” here at all.

gretch 4y ago

>Or if Facebook hadn't existed, somehow the same people would have been inspired to kill the same man? Yes absolutely I am directly saying this and imo your points support my argument. When there is no Facebook, ppl use the radio to incite violence. When there is no radio, ppl use newspapers to incite and organize violence. And when there is no newspapers, ppl find a way to get their hate killing done anyway. There’s thousands of years of examples. I don’t know what definition you are using for the word “often” but it seems like it’s not the usual definition of being frequency based. This is because, again, thousands of years of human ethnic violence happened where humans didn’t not have the capability of broadcast media. If we just count up the number of data points, it doesn’t make sense to apply the word “often” here at all.