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Okay so if you reach a certain wealth level, everyone should be entitled to see where you are? If that's the world you want to live in, fine. My doubt would be

by erlich 4y ago

Okay so if you reach a certain wealth level, everyone should be entitled to see where you are? If that's the world you want to live in, fine. My doubt would be that if you accrued such wealth, your opinion would rapidly change. So this position is doubtful. I think it's better for everyone to be entitled to their privacy.

eternalban 4y ago
Pointing out that it really is not the same situation and it's not generic "doxing". A random individual is very likely powerless. Someone who very visibly, very loudly, and very consequentially, inserts himself or herself into global and national matters is a very public person, by choice. No one is peering into his house and taking pictures. Someone published legally available public data about an aircraft, exercising their right to freedom of speech. And certainly not powerless. Being an oligarch (or celebrity) -- you know, you get to call heads of state and have a chat -- is not about "wealth" or "fame"; it is a hazy zone between power and wealth.
- erlich 4y ago
  I think you are only imagining people you dislike. Try to think of someone you admire. Fighting for a good cause. A pro-choice activist or an female celebrity flying to an African country to work with NGOs for women's health issues or something.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    No, that is not the case. The critical necessity of open and unobstructed expression to a functioning liberal/democratic order far exceeds such considerations. > Try to think of someone you admire. Fighting for a good cause. A pro-choice activist or an female celebrity flying to an African country to work with NGOs for women's health issues or something. Speaking of lovely Angelina, as a CFR member she will be well advised (by experts) to take necessary precautions, should they be necessary. In fact, I would be surprised if she does not have a professional security detail. Btw, I'll take that bait ("pro-Choice") and offer you this: At a fundamental level, my view is that as a citizen of a free society my primary concern shall never be my choice or viewpoint, rather that which insures that I may freely express my views and be able to freely exercise the political right to promote or support my viewpoint. Anything that undermines fundamental mechanisms that support our free society, regardless of the ideological or right/wrong garb it takes, must be rejected. That would be a more accurate picture of what "[I] think".
ModernMech 4y ago
If you are wealthy enough to buy a jet, the public is entitled to know where that jet is flying, because such info has been shown to prevent accidents (which endangers the public and costs money to taxpayers). If you are wealthy enough and that tracking rubs you the wrong way, you are free to take public transportation like the rest of us. If Congress can do it, so can Musk.
- erlich 4y ago
  How about tracking car license plate numbers? These are public too.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    If tracking license plate movements has been shown to reduce accident rates, sure, that seems reasonable compromise to save lives.

by erlich 4y ago

eternalban 4y ago

Pointing out that it really is not the same situation and it's not generic "doxing". A random individual is very likely powerless. Someone who very visibly, very loudly, and very consequentially, inserts himself or herself into global and national matters is a very public person, by choice. No one is peering into his house and taking pictures. Someone published legally available public data about an aircraft, exercising their right to freedom of speech. And certainly not powerless. Being an oligarch (or celebrity) -- you know, you get to call heads of state and have a chat -- is not about "wealth" or "fame"; it is a hazy zone between power and wealth.

erlich 4y ago
I think you are only imagining people you dislike. Try to think of someone you admire. Fighting for a good cause. A pro-choice activist or an female celebrity flying to an African country to work with NGOs for women's health issues or something.
- eternalban 4y ago
  No, that is not the case. The critical necessity of open and unobstructed expression to a functioning liberal/democratic order far exceeds such considerations. > Try to think of someone you admire. Fighting for a good cause. A pro-choice activist or an female celebrity flying to an African country to work with NGOs for women's health issues or something. Speaking of lovely Angelina, as a CFR member she will be well advised (by experts) to take necessary precautions, should they be necessary. In fact, I would be surprised if she does not have a professional security detail. Btw, I'll take that bait ("pro-Choice") and offer you this: At a fundamental level, my view is that as a citizen of a free society my primary concern shall never be my choice or viewpoint, rather that which insures that I may freely express my views and be able to freely exercise the political right to promote or support my viewpoint. Anything that undermines fundamental mechanisms that support our free society, regardless of the ideological or right/wrong garb it takes, must be rejected. That would be a more accurate picture of what "[I] think".

ModernMech 4y ago

If you are wealthy enough to buy a jet, the public is entitled to know where that jet is flying, because such info has been shown to prevent accidents (which endangers the public and costs money to taxpayers). If you are wealthy enough and that tracking rubs you the wrong way, you are free to take public transportation like the rest of us. If Congress can do it, so can Musk.

erlich 4y ago
How about tracking car license plate numbers? These are public too.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  If tracking license plate movements has been shown to reduce accident rates, sure, that seems reasonable compromise to save lives.