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Fuck panel gaps. Just look at the quality of the interior. You’re paying 100k for a car that has worse quality than a Ford. Everything is plastic, there are no

Fuck panel gaps. Just look at the quality of the interior. You’re paying 100k for a car that has worse quality than a Ford. Everything is plastic, there are no button knobs anywhere, no panel in front of the driver, the leather on the seats doesn’t feel like leather etc. I mean I get it that half the price of the car is in batteries and R&D, but still you can’t even compare it to a 50k Volvo. It’s just crap. And now that the big manufacturers are moving into electric cars Tesla’s got a lot of serious completion to face from companies who know how to treat a customer who's paying big bucks.

xxpor 4y ago
If you're paying 100k for a model 3, you're getting screwed.
cutenewt 4y ago
I was seriously considering a Model 3 for my new car, but I'm so glad I passed. On the Model 3 subrreddit there are endless post about reliability including ones I never thought would be an issue. Some recent ones include driver side mirror housing falling off and snowing entering the trunk compartment.
- sixQuarks 4y ago
  Have you looked at forums for other cars? There’s tons of complaints for every model. I’ve had my model 3 for 5 years with zero issues.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    I can't recall mirrors falling off or trunks so poorly sealed as to allow snow inside with other car makers. Maybe on a Yugo but nothing that purports to be anything better than a cheap as possible econobox.
    - wfme 4y ago
      A quick google reveals similar wing mirror issues with VW [0] and BMW [1]. [0] https://www.speakev.com/threads/wing-mirror-glass-fell-off.147103/ https://www.speakev.com/threads/wing-mirror-glass-fell-off.1... [1] https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79640 https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79640
    - sixQuarks 4y ago
      you can find one-off or rare problems on EVERY single model. For the things that actually matter, Teslas are very reliable on the whole.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  > I think Mercedes and other automakers have a good chance to bypass Tesla now since Elno is captivated by his Twitter acquisition. Do you have any evidence to back up these claims? On what trends are you basing that on? Do you have evidence that Tesla performs worse now because of Twitter? Literally do you have any real world bases for this or is that just what you hope will happen?
- toiletfuneral 4y ago
ryantgtg 4y ago
Serious competition is good! I just replaced my Audi Q5 with a Tesla Model Y (which... wasn't $100k). No panel gaps, no other problems, and the overall quality feels nicer than the Audi. Shrug! Anyway, yeah, the next few years look really exciting for consumer EVs. So many announcements in 2022.
- Something1234 4y ago
  The Audi Q5 had issues with the infotainment IMO. It wasn't stock android auto like in my Hyundai. The voice assistant button always routed to the audi voice thing (completely worthless I know what I want google to do, now connect me to google). The buttons felt over complicated. Although one feature I really liked was that it would tell me what the biggest consumers of power was. I would definitely like to have a car with a heated steering wheel in the winter here, but that isn't in the cards.
  - ryantgtg 4y ago
    Mine was a 2018 Q5. Had a central knob, which I thought was nice for navigating around the screen. But yeah, overall the software and system was pretty lousy. In fact, I was _never_ able to get it to connect to my carplay (or whatever I was supposed to do) to show a map. My wife had that working with her phone. But I couldn't do it! I also couldn't charge my phone and stream music at the same time. And obviously, the software - which already seemed behind the times in 2018 - was never updated in four years. I got in the habit memorizing entire routes from my phone before I drove. It's interesting now to have a car where the map is front and center. First thing I did with this Tesla is turn off the heated steering wheel for my driver profile. My hands sweat easily, so it was undesirable.
- toiletfuneral 4y ago
solardev 4y ago
Yeah... it's funny, but I wanted a Tesla real bad before I actually sat in a friend's. The UX sucks. Everything from opening the door to trying to access the AC or glove compartment was a pain in the ass. Nevermind FSD accidents, I think I'd get myself killed just trying to turn down the heat on that giant touchscreen.
vrc 4y ago
I believe the “leather” is “vegan leather” which is really plastic. I own a MY — the one plus side to it is it isn’t as cold as leather in the winter.

xxpor 4y ago

If you're paying 100k for a model 3, you're getting screwed.

cutenewt 4y ago

I was seriously considering a Model 3 for my new car, but I'm so glad I passed. On the Model 3 subrreddit there are endless post about reliability including ones I never thought would be an issue. Some recent ones include driver side mirror housing falling off and snowing entering the trunk compartment.

sixQuarks 4y ago
Have you looked at forums for other cars? There’s tons of complaints for every model. I’ve had my model 3 for 5 years with zero issues.
- brewdad 4y ago
  I can't recall mirrors falling off or trunks so poorly sealed as to allow snow inside with other car makers. Maybe on a Yugo but nothing that purports to be anything better than a cheap as possible econobox.
  - wfme 4y ago
    A quick google reveals similar wing mirror issues with VW [0] and BMW [1]. [0] https://www.speakev.com/threads/wing-mirror-glass-fell-off.147103/ https://www.speakev.com/threads/wing-mirror-glass-fell-off.1... [1] https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79640 https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79640
  - sixQuarks 4y ago
    you can find one-off or rare problems on EVERY single model. For the things that actually matter, Teslas are very reliable on the whole.
panick21_ 4y ago
> I think Mercedes and other automakers have a good chance to bypass Tesla now since Elno is captivated by his Twitter acquisition. Do you have any evidence to back up these claims? On what trends are you basing that on? Do you have evidence that Tesla performs worse now because of Twitter? Literally do you have any real world bases for this or is that just what you hope will happen?
toiletfuneral 4y ago

ryantgtg 4y ago

Serious competition is good! I just replaced my Audi Q5 with a Tesla Model Y (which... wasn't $100k). No panel gaps, no other problems, and the overall quality feels nicer than the Audi. Shrug! Anyway, yeah, the next few years look really exciting for consumer EVs. So many announcements in 2022.

Something1234 4y ago
The Audi Q5 had issues with the infotainment IMO. It wasn't stock android auto like in my Hyundai. The voice assistant button always routed to the audi voice thing (completely worthless I know what I want google to do, now connect me to google). The buttons felt over complicated. Although one feature I really liked was that it would tell me what the biggest consumers of power was. I would definitely like to have a car with a heated steering wheel in the winter here, but that isn't in the cards.
- ryantgtg 4y ago
  Mine was a 2018 Q5. Had a central knob, which I thought was nice for navigating around the screen. But yeah, overall the software and system was pretty lousy. In fact, I was _never_ able to get it to connect to my carplay (or whatever I was supposed to do) to show a map. My wife had that working with her phone. But I couldn't do it! I also couldn't charge my phone and stream music at the same time. And obviously, the software - which already seemed behind the times in 2018 - was never updated in four years. I got in the habit memorizing entire routes from my phone before I drove. It's interesting now to have a car where the map is front and center. First thing I did with this Tesla is turn off the heated steering wheel for my driver profile. My hands sweat easily, so it was undesirable.
toiletfuneral 4y ago

solardev 4y ago

Yeah... it's funny, but I wanted a Tesla real bad before I actually sat in a friend's. The UX sucks. Everything from opening the door to trying to access the AC or glove compartment was a pain in the ass. Nevermind FSD accidents, I think I'd get myself killed just trying to turn down the heat on that giant touchscreen.

vrc 4y ago

I believe the “leather” is “vegan leather” which is really plastic. I own a MY — the one plus side to it is it isn’t as cold as leather in the winter.