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Not to defend TSLA, but I don’t think self driving is the reason why Tesla cars sell, it is more about being arguably the best mass produced EV out there.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> more about being arguably the best mass produced EV out there. In 2018 this would be a really good argument. What does Tesla do better now, compared to another modern purpose built EV, for example a Ford Mustang Mach E, or a Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, etc? I struggle to identify any particular feature I would say they are better at, much less something that would make it the best mass produced EV. I say this as a two-time Model 3 owner, having just bought the most recent one two weeks ago. I don't quite have buyers remorse yet, but it's nagging at me that I may have just made a foolish choice for the wrong reasons.
- janalsncm 4y ago
  The fact that you don’t have to go through a dealership is a huge selling point for me. No markup, no dealing with high pressure sales tactics. Just buy it online. As someone in the EV market I almost went for a Tesla for this reason.
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    Polestar (Volvo's EV spinoff) has copied this piece of the Tesla playbook, and their cars are pretty competitive in features and price as well. But the Polestar 2 is also much more "traditional" vehicle than Teslas, and most all reviews rate its closest competitor the Tesla 3 more highly.
- lallysingh 4y ago
  I think Tesla's charging network is a nice part of the package. I'm pretty worried about going EV -- I'm not going tesla, because I don't like the way they look -- mostly about dealing with finding charging stations that work (and well) when I need them.
  - dymk 4y ago
    Look at a map of EV charging stations, and quickly realize you will never have a problem
- eightysixfour 4y ago
  There are no competitive cars on the market in their class that are as efficient and as performant right now.
watwut 4y ago
Afaik, they are not. They have best charging network in United States. They come low in reliability index. And many people like their software. They are not obvious winner among EV cars currently. They were first to do actual high end EV car and that vision changed the market back then.
- postmeta 4y ago
  They are obvious winner among EV cars based on sales.
  - watwut 4y ago
    The topic was "best EV car now" and not "best selling EV car" nor "best EV car few years back". They used to be the best EV car and Musk used to have huge charizma for many people. They were selling dream too. All of that sells, but is not "how good the car is" metric. Tesla also used to have reputation of being well build cars few years back. I don't know whether their quality went down due to mass production or whether it was just not known about them.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> more about being arguably the best mass produced EV out there. In 2018 this would be a really good argument. What does Tesla do better now, compared to another modern purpose built EV, for example a Ford Mustang Mach E, or a Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, etc? I struggle to identify any particular feature I would say they are better at, much less something that would make it the best mass produced EV. I say this as a two-time Model 3 owner, having just bought the most recent one two weeks ago. I don't quite have buyers remorse yet, but it's nagging at me that I may have just made a foolish choice for the wrong reasons.

janalsncm 4y ago
The fact that you don’t have to go through a dealership is a huge selling point for me. No markup, no dealing with high pressure sales tactics. Just buy it online. As someone in the EV market I almost went for a Tesla for this reason.
- rippercushions 4y ago
  Polestar (Volvo's EV spinoff) has copied this piece of the Tesla playbook, and their cars are pretty competitive in features and price as well. But the Polestar 2 is also much more "traditional" vehicle than Teslas, and most all reviews rate its closest competitor the Tesla 3 more highly.
lallysingh 4y ago
I think Tesla's charging network is a nice part of the package. I'm pretty worried about going EV -- I'm not going tesla, because I don't like the way they look -- mostly about dealing with finding charging stations that work (and well) when I need them.
- dymk 4y ago
  Look at a map of EV charging stations, and quickly realize you will never have a problem
eightysixfour 4y ago
There are no competitive cars on the market in their class that are as efficient and as performant right now.

watwut 4y ago

Afaik, they are not. They have best charging network in United States. They come low in reliability index. And many people like their software. They are not obvious winner among EV cars currently. They were first to do actual high end EV car and that vision changed the market back then.

postmeta 4y ago
They are obvious winner among EV cars based on sales.
- watwut 4y ago
  The topic was "best EV car now" and not "best selling EV car" nor "best EV car few years back". They used to be the best EV car and Musk used to have huge charizma for many people. They were selling dream too. All of that sells, but is not "how good the car is" metric. Tesla also used to have reputation of being well build cars few years back. I don't know whether their quality went down due to mass production or whether it was just not known about them.