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> O'Shaughnessy advocated before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services for a layered space capability with lethal follow-on that incorporates mac

> O'Shaughnessy advocated before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services for a layered space capability with lethal follow-on that incorporates machine learning and artificial intelligence to gather and act upon sensor data quickly So basically a doomsday machine. I understand the need for quick reaction but I really really would like to see a human in the chain to push the button. We've come way too close before like the Cuban crisis and Able Archer more specifically where all the data was screaming war but cool heads prevailed. Trust the world in the hands of an AI? Please no.

Finnucane 4y ago
>So basically a doomsday machine. The whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret!
- analognoise 4y ago
  It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Not really as far as I understand? It's a deterrent?
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
    I believe that is a quote from Dr. Strangelove
zimpenfish 4y ago
> Able Archer And shortly before that started, Stanislav Petrov[1] saved us by using common sense to not press the button. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alar...
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Oh yes this is the incident I was referring to, actually. I thought it was the same. Somehow I remembered the troop buildup of Able Archer confirmed the invasion fear for the Soviets. But it sounds like that played no part in it. I must have remembered it wrong.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > Somehow I remembered the troop buildup of Able Archer confirmed the invasion fear for the Soviets. From what I remembered, and a quick scan of Wikipedia[1], you're not wrong. "In response, the Soviet Union readied their nuclear forces and placed air units in East Germany and Poland on alert. The Soviet 4th Air Army began loading nuclear warheads onto combat planes in preparation for war." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83
no_wizard 4y ago
I agree with you 100%. For all of humanities fallibleness, every averted nuclear close call was due to having a human in the loop[0] in one way or another. For instance, in 1960 Norway's sunrise was interpreted by radar in Greenland as a nuclear attack by the Soviet Union. Thankfully there were no automated responses, and humans in the loop realized the error quite quickly once they assessed all the surrounding facts [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls [1]: I couldn't help but think of this skit and pronunciation when seeing O'Shaughnessy from Key & Peel (video is linked to the pronunciation but its worth watching in its entirety if you like this kind of humor) https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw&t=142 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw&t=142
6510 4y ago
Just that the last American died doesn't mean the war is lost.

Finnucane 4y ago

>So basically a doomsday machine. The whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret!

analognoise 4y ago
It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
Not really as far as I understand? It's a deterrent?
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
  I believe that is a quote from Dr. Strangelove

zimpenfish 4y ago

> Able Archer And shortly before that started, Stanislav Petrov[1] saved us by using common sense to not press the button. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alar...

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Oh yes this is the incident I was referring to, actually. I thought it was the same. Somehow I remembered the troop buildup of Able Archer confirmed the invasion fear for the Soviets. But it sounds like that played no part in it. I must have remembered it wrong.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > Somehow I remembered the troop buildup of Able Archer confirmed the invasion fear for the Soviets. From what I remembered, and a quick scan of Wikipedia[1], you're not wrong. "In response, the Soviet Union readied their nuclear forces and placed air units in East Germany and Poland on alert. The Soviet 4th Air Army began loading nuclear warheads onto combat planes in preparation for war." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83

no_wizard 4y ago

I agree with you 100%. For all of humanities fallibleness, every averted nuclear close call was due to having a human in the loop[0] in one way or another. For instance, in 1960 Norway's sunrise was interpreted by radar in Greenland as a nuclear attack by the Soviet Union. Thankfully there were no automated responses, and humans in the loop realized the error quite quickly once they assessed all the surrounding facts [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls [1]: I couldn't help but think of this skit and pronunciation when seeing O'Shaughnessy from Key & Peel (video is linked to the pronunciation but its worth watching in its entirety if you like this kind of humor) https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw&t=142 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw&t=142

6510 4y ago

Just that the last American died doesn't mean the war is lost.