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Compare Waymo[0] with Tesla [1].. These are easily searchable which leads me to question your sincerity in feinting ignorance. [0]https://youtu.be/mWvhw1KCmbo

by vgt 4y ago

Compare Waymo[0] with Tesla [1].. These are easily searchable which leads me to question your sincerity in feinting ignorance. [0]https://youtu.be/mWvhw1KCmbo https://youtu.be/mWvhw1KCmbo [1]https://youtu.be/3mnG_Gbxf_w https://youtu.be/3mnG_Gbxf_w

zaroth 4y ago
I think you missed OPs point. As I understand it, Waymo can’t drive on unmapped roads, and therefore there are no comparable videos of Waymo actually doing that. You chose a Waymo video from their marketing channel, and a newspaper hit piece. And then questioned sincerity of OP…
- simondotau 4y ago
  Not to mention that there’s no evidence that any autonomous driving system was engaged on that Tesla.
- vgt 4y ago
  did I? Here's a direct quote I was responding to: >I see a lot of bad things on Tesla FSD and I totally get the critics...I think FSD is quite impressive compared to any other self driving software I've seen. > >Would you mind to direct me to similar videos from Waymo for example in similar situations? I can't find anything even remotely as good as what Tesla is doing now. I can't believe one can make an honest argument that Tesla is ahead of Waymo on FSD
  - simondotau 4y ago
    The honest argument is that we have seen Tesla’s technology exposed to unsupervised and uncontrolled adversarial conditions across hundreds of wildly diverse cities in the USA, whereas we haven’t seen Waymo vehicles doing anything outside of curated geofenced areas or curated marketing videos. Right now if you dropped a Waymo and a Tesla on an unsealed road in Michigan, one of them will drive at least as well as a human learner driver and the other will probably refuse to drive. I agree that Waymo could well be far ahead of Tesla, but there isn't enough information in the public domain to say this with confidence. We don't have the ability to make a proper comparative assessment.
    - guilamu 4y ago
      That was exactly my point, thanks for explaining it better than I did (as you must have guessed by now, English is not my native language, sorry).
Zigurd 4y ago
They're just asking questions. Geeez.

by vgt 4y ago

zaroth 4y ago

I think you missed OPs point. As I understand it, Waymo can’t drive on unmapped roads, and therefore there are no comparable videos of Waymo actually doing that. You chose a Waymo video from their marketing channel, and a newspaper hit piece. And then questioned sincerity of OP…

simondotau 4y ago
Not to mention that there’s no evidence that any autonomous driving system was engaged on that Tesla.
vgt 4y ago
did I? Here's a direct quote I was responding to: >I see a lot of bad things on Tesla FSD and I totally get the critics...I think FSD is quite impressive compared to any other self driving software I've seen. > >Would you mind to direct me to similar videos from Waymo for example in similar situations? I can't find anything even remotely as good as what Tesla is doing now. I can't believe one can make an honest argument that Tesla is ahead of Waymo on FSD
- simondotau 4y ago
  The honest argument is that we have seen Tesla’s technology exposed to unsupervised and uncontrolled adversarial conditions across hundreds of wildly diverse cities in the USA, whereas we haven’t seen Waymo vehicles doing anything outside of curated geofenced areas or curated marketing videos. Right now if you dropped a Waymo and a Tesla on an unsealed road in Michigan, one of them will drive at least as well as a human learner driver and the other will probably refuse to drive. I agree that Waymo could well be far ahead of Tesla, but there isn't enough information in the public domain to say this with confidence. We don't have the ability to make a proper comparative assessment.
  - guilamu 4y ago
    That was exactly my point, thanks for explaining it better than I did (as you must have guessed by now, English is not my native language, sorry).

Zigurd 4y ago

They're just asking questions. Geeez.