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>ChatGPT and other Generative AI programs should not exist. They are not the kinds of things that someone who cares about human life would build. Nobody who und
by _dain_ 4y ago
>ChatGPT and other Generative AI programs should not exist. They are not the kinds of things that someone who cares about human life would build. Nobody who understood the stakes of asserting that our lives are meaningless would participate in such an endeavor.
this is roughly the conclusion I've come to in the past few weeks. I hate what these things are doing to us. from now on there will always be a voice in the back of my head sneering "why bother, a robot could do it better" at any of my creative projects.
btw the other comments so far in this thread are dreadful. just dismissing it based on vibes and ad hominem. exactly the kind of corrosive nihilism the article is talking about.
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EDIT I'm rate limited so I can't reply to manibus' comment directly, so it is here:
>“just stop sweetie, Leonardo Da Vinci already did it better 500 years ago.”
it's not the same thing. I might be one of those rare people who could become as good as da vinci with enough hard work. and if not, he was still the same kind of entity as me, a human being with flesh and blood, who lived and loved and died. when I look at his painting, my mind and leonardo's mind are touching each other, across a span of centuries. he wanted it to mean something, and I can take part in that meaning, and so can others. it's not about being the best, it's about being something. I don't resent leonardo for being a better thinker than me, I am glad that he was, he's a role model, a source of inspiration, and I'm proud to belong to the same species as him.
then one day someone invents a machine that can out-write anyone, out-draw anyone, out-sing, out-code, out-everything, everyone, ever. it runs 24/7 on electrical power, it exists nowhere and everywhere on the planet at once, it can scale up indefinitely with more GPUs and more data, it can never die. it spews forth artistic wonders, millions per second, until we become numb. and what kind of alien mind lurks on the other side?
I'm not mad that I'm not as good as the leonardo, I'm mad that leonardo can't be as good as the AI.
the old escape hatches don't work anymore. human creativity progressed in reaction to technological innovation. but previously it was innovation with respect to the physical world. mechanical reproduction of artifacts, not mechanical production of creativity itself. when photography was invented, realistic paintings weren't enough anymore, but then new genres and movements came about, and the world kept spinning. that won't work now. you cannot say, "oh I will just find new creative outlets to set me apart from the AIs"; the AIs will chase you and catch you, every time. all your labours are just more training data. more food for a parasite, sucking our lives dry.
- manibus 4y agoIf you think just because an inanimate computer program can render an interpolation between pre-existing data, that there is no point in creating art, then maybe you didn’t really understand why many practice art. Art is not some kind of competency test, not something “a robot could do better”. By your same logic we should stop children from making finger paintings, “just stop sweetie, Leonardo Da Vinci already did it better 500 years ago.” I see these kinds of opinions often now and to me they seem to come from a place of completely misunderstanding what art is, why we do it, and why it has value to us. You are coming from a position that you only value expressing yourself into an artefact if that artefact can be “the best” (whatever that means), who is the nihilist again? That we devote our energy to creating only has worth if it can somehow be better than others? Idk, those positions to me are pretty dark and nihilistic.
- rafaelero 4y agoYeah, but professional artists rely on people finding value on their artistic production. If AI can produce such a high quality output, then this is going to devalue their skills. Sure, they can still do it for the pleasure of producing art, but that's more like a hobby than a job.
- Euphorbium 4y agoPerhaps there should not be professional artists? Maybe they are landlords, but instead of hogging land, they are hogging time for self improvement, but both are produced by the same inheritance?
- Gare 4y agoSure, but "generative AI is going to make certain artistic careers less lucrative" is a different argument than "AI is making us all nihilistic". Lots of jobs were already wiped by progress of technology, and no doubt it sucked for people who couldn't reorient themselves. But we're better off than people living before the industrial revolution.
- ryanobjc 4y agoProfessional artists create way more than they sell - in fact they don't sell like 90%+ what they make.