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I will wait for your post, but if you want to know what is still unclear to me: >>for my RSS subscribers >It uses a "just in time" model to create a Mastodon

by s3000 4y ago

I will wait for your post, but if you want to know what is still unclear to me: >>for my RSS subscribers >It uses a "just in time" model to create a Mastodon post What is 'It'? notado.app for people who have logged in? There is no links to comments when not logged in. How can new users or people who don't want to create an account discover the comments? >no point trying to having a 1/1 parity between RSS items and Mastodon points. To me, the interesting part would be an n/1 relation: One comment section where everybody from all RSS streams can meet to discuss an article. Like HN/new, there is no incentive to comment on a 3 day old post because hardly anybody will read it. The economics change if the comment section can appear on various RSS streams because then, there can be readers and replies to a comment even years later. Is it acceptable or even desirable to share your mastodon comment sections, or do you see them as a place for the people who follow you?

bsnnkv 4y ago
> How can new users or people who don't want to create an account discover the comments? The links to initiate new comments on the public HTML versions of the feeds show only for people who are logged in, because unfortunately bots and scrapers are not as respectful as they should be. As a user's feed homepage is designed to be shared publicly, it only takes one bad actor to click on every "Discuss on Mastodon" link for every item in all of a curator's feeds and put undue load on a Mastodon instance which makes the whole "just in time" approach moot. Where Mastodon posts have already been created for discussion (by authed users, or by any users subscribed directly to the RSS versions of the feeds), those links (ie. to the Mastodon posts) get shown on the public HTML versions of the feeds.[1] Otherwise, anyone who subscribes to the public RSS version of the feed (unauthed by default, doesn't require an account etc.) is presented with a "Discuss on Mastodon" link at the end of each RSS item on any feed for which the curator decides to enable comments, and this link can be used to initiate new comments/discussions with a Mastodon identity. > One comment section where everybody from all RSS streams can meet to discuss an article This isn't really something I'm interested in for Notado, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone sees your comment and runs with this idea! > The economics change if the comment section can appear on various RSS streams because then, there can be readers and replies to a comment even years later. It's not quite the same as what you're suggesting, but I am thinking of providing an API for https://kulli.sh https://kulli.sh where article authors can embed comments on their articles from across all supported platforms at the bottom of their articles. This could go a long way towards keeping discussions fresh regardless of the time that passes since the initial submission due to comments being embedded with the source. I just need to really sit down and work out a pricing model (or maybe separate models for individuals vs organizations) for the whole thing. > Is it acceptable or even desirable to share your mastodon comment sections, or do you see them as a place for the people who follow you? I think this depends entirely on the curator. I personally don't have any issues with mine being shared more widely, but there are settings that I've made available to allow people to restrict comments to approved followers (on Mastodon). The nice thing about the Mastodon API is that if you enable public comments, you can filter for your posts that have been created by the "Notado Feeds" OAuth app, and then filter again by posts that have >N replies, and then embed those discussions on your personal website (or anywhere else). [1]: Example here that you can see when unauthed https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development#399920c89879d7a58d8da04360d94b09 https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development#399920c89...
- s3000 4y ago
  You definitely have thought this through. Is there a reason that you don't have a page with the posts with >N replies, or the posts with the most recent replies, available on the notado.app?

by s3000 4y ago

bsnnkv 4y ago

> How can new users or people who don't want to create an account discover the comments? The links to initiate new comments on the public HTML versions of the feeds show only for people who are logged in, because unfortunately bots and scrapers are not as respectful as they should be. As a user's feed homepage is designed to be shared publicly, it only takes one bad actor to click on every "Discuss on Mastodon" link for every item in all of a curator's feeds and put undue load on a Mastodon instance which makes the whole "just in time" approach moot. Where Mastodon posts have already been created for discussion (by authed users, or by any users subscribed directly to the RSS versions of the feeds), those links (ie. to the Mastodon posts) get shown on the public HTML versions of the feeds.[1] Otherwise, anyone who subscribes to the public RSS version of the feed (unauthed by default, doesn't require an account etc.) is presented with a "Discuss on Mastodon" link at the end of each RSS item on any feed for which the curator decides to enable comments, and this link can be used to initiate new comments/discussions with a Mastodon identity. > One comment section where everybody from all RSS streams can meet to discuss an article This isn't really something I'm interested in for Notado, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone sees your comment and runs with this idea! > The economics change if the comment section can appear on various RSS streams because then, there can be readers and replies to a comment even years later. It's not quite the same as what you're suggesting, but I am thinking of providing an API for https://kulli.sh https://kulli.sh where article authors can embed comments on their articles from across all supported platforms at the bottom of their articles. This could go a long way towards keeping discussions fresh regardless of the time that passes since the initial submission due to comments being embedded with the source. I just need to really sit down and work out a pricing model (or maybe separate models for individuals vs organizations) for the whole thing. > Is it acceptable or even desirable to share your mastodon comment sections, or do you see them as a place for the people who follow you? I think this depends entirely on the curator. I personally don't have any issues with mine being shared more widely, but there are settings that I've made available to allow people to restrict comments to approved followers (on Mastodon). The nice thing about the Mastodon API is that if you enable public comments, you can filter for your posts that have been created by the "Notado Feeds" OAuth app, and then filter again by posts that have >N replies, and then embed those discussions on your personal website (or anywhere else). [1]: Example here that you can see when unauthed https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development#399920c89879d7a58d8da04360d94b09 https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development#399920c89...

s3000 4y ago
You definitely have thought this through. Is there a reason that you don't have a page with the posts with >N replies, or the posts with the most recent replies, available on the notado.app?