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>It should be adversarial. An independent body should administer test suites provided by the manufacturers. Everybody has to pass 99% of the union of all test s
by xoa 4y ago
>It should be adversarial. An independent body should administer test suites provided by the manufacturers. Everybody has to pass 99% of the union of all test scenarios before being allowed on the road. The tests are run monthly.
While I appreciate the spirit you're being overly glib, and we should all be wary of overly simplistic answers since reality can have surprising emergent effects. Like, your proposal as written would give behind manufacturers who cut corners and were bad an effective veto over companies doing well. If say Tesla finds they have to pretty much start from scratch, that they're 5 years behind Waymo now because they took a shoddy haphazard approach, well they might as well create a bunch of impossible tests that Waymo can't pass. It doesn't matter that they can't pass them, because they couldn't pass the ones Waymo proposes either, so this way they could throw a spanner in the works and pull back on the leaders. You could alter your suggestion to be that manufacturers can only propose tests that they themselves can pass with ready-to-ship vehicles, so everyone has to meet each other's standards. But what if there really are tests that everyone should pass but that no one can yet? Or what if there is explicit or tacit collusion in the other direction, where everyone low balls the tests because ultimately it's more profitable to get stuff shipping?
Basically I don't see any reason to not just have the government continue to be involved here and come up with independent road safety standards as advised by their own experts, with public comment and rationale. Ultimately it's the public interest at stake and the rules are about use of public infrastructure. Why not just have an aggressive federal standard course and set of tests that everyone must meet?
I also think in terms of incentives that FSD car manufacturers should be fully liable for any accidents caused by the car while FSD is active, simple as that.
- jeffbee 4y agoIf Tesla can't pass each and every one of their proposed tests then they aren't even in the game. What you describe would not occur.
- jefftk 4y agoWhat if you limited to test scenarios that a human ("NIEON") could reliably pass?
- sebzim4500 4y agoI'm sure motivated engineers could come up with tests that are extremely difficult for current AI but basically useless for deploying a real self driving system. See the millions of examples of trolley problems, for example.
- jefftk 4y agoTrolley problem examples are hard, but your "NIEON" won't reliably pass either.