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What does 'win' mean here? It seems like being able to pass on the costs of fleet management, insurance, gas, parking/storage, etc to drivers (the way taxis/rid

What does 'win' mean here? It seems like being able to pass on the costs of fleet management, insurance, gas, parking/storage, etc to drivers (the way taxis/ride sharing apps currently do) will always be cheaper than maintaining it yourself, even if you save on the driver fees.

kibwen 4y ago
At the rate things are going right now, Waymo will win when Tesla throws in the towel on developing in-house and licenses Waymo's tech in order to finally deliver on full self-driving.
- moonchrome 4y ago
  Tesla already sold self driving for years - waymo uses way more sensors than a camera from what I can tell - not only would that bump unit cost they would probably have to upgrade previous customers due to their marketing.
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    and fuck with the aerodynamics - causing drag on the cars, decreasing range. LIDR isnt an option.
    - cycomanic 4y ago
      That highly depends on the lidar system. All players are working a lot on minaturizing LIDAR systems and they fundamentally don't have to be as big as the waymo systems.
  - someotherperson 4y ago
    > not only would that bump unit cost they would probably have to upgrade previous customers due to their marketing. Only if they don't change they name. They can call it an upgraded RealDrive™ QuantumSense™ feature that no longer requires having your hands on the wheel.
- mahkeiro 4y ago
  They are also Chinese solutions in that space like Baidu Apollo.
- hobofan 4y ago
  How things are going right now, I'd be surprised if anyone will be willing to license Tesla's tech.
paxys 4y ago
This would imply that Uber/Lyft drivers on average are losing money by being on the service, which is obviously not the case. Having a large fleet of driverless taxis, even if you have to maintain them yourself, will be a very profitable business. There are other potential revenue sources as well, like licensing the tech to car manufacturers.
- just-ok 4y ago
  > obviously not the case This is a strong claim. I thought there was a decent body of evidence that suggested most drivers make much less money than they think, when you take depreciation/repairs/etc. into account?

kibwen 4y ago

At the rate things are going right now, Waymo will win when Tesla throws in the towel on developing in-house and licenses Waymo's tech in order to finally deliver on full self-driving.

moonchrome 4y ago
Tesla already sold self driving for years - waymo uses way more sensors than a camera from what I can tell - not only would that bump unit cost they would probably have to upgrade previous customers due to their marketing.
- misiti3780 4y ago
  and fuck with the aerodynamics - causing drag on the cars, decreasing range. LIDR isnt an option.
  - cycomanic 4y ago
    That highly depends on the lidar system. All players are working a lot on minaturizing LIDAR systems and they fundamentally don't have to be as big as the waymo systems.
- someotherperson 4y ago
  > not only would that bump unit cost they would probably have to upgrade previous customers due to their marketing. Only if they don't change they name. They can call it an upgraded RealDrive™ QuantumSense™ feature that no longer requires having your hands on the wheel.
mahkeiro 4y ago
They are also Chinese solutions in that space like Baidu Apollo.
hobofan 4y ago
How things are going right now, I'd be surprised if anyone will be willing to license Tesla's tech.

paxys 4y ago

This would imply that Uber/Lyft drivers on average are losing money by being on the service, which is obviously not the case. Having a large fleet of driverless taxis, even if you have to maintain them yourself, will be a very profitable business. There are other potential revenue sources as well, like licensing the tech to car manufacturers.

just-ok 4y ago
> obviously not the case This is a strong claim. I thought there was a decent body of evidence that suggested most drivers make much less money than they think, when you take depreciation/repairs/etc. into account?