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No, I'm arguing that Waymo, Cruise and others following similar strategy will go bankrupt before delivering a working product and Tesla / Comma.ai won't. As to
by kjksf 4y ago
No, I'm arguing that Waymo, Cruise and others following similar strategy will go bankrupt before delivering a working product and Tesla / Comma.ai won't.
As to crashes: the disengages part of your rebuttal is implied claim that Waymo / Cruise are perfectly safe.
Which they are not.
FSD have been deployed on 160 thousand cars. No fatalities so far. No major crashes.
Cruise has 30 cars in San Francisco and you get this:
> Driverless Cruise robotaxis stop working simultaneously, blocking San Francisco street
> Cruise robotaxis blocked traffic for hours on this San Francisco street
Another Cruise robotaxi stopped in the muni lane.
Waymo car also stopped in the middle of the road.
Neither FSD or Cruise or Waymo had fatalities.
They all had cases of bad driving.
This is not Safe-but-will-go-bankrupt vs. not-safe-but-won't-go-bankrupt.
It's: both approaches are unsafe today but one has a path to becoming safe eventually and the other doesn't, if only because of economic realities of spending $2 billion a year without line of sight for going break even.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/1/23191045/cruise-robotaxis-driverless-roadblock-san-francisco https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/1/23191045/cruise-robotaxis-...
https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-traffic-for-hours-on-this-san-francisco-street/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-t...
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago> As to crashes: the disengages part of your rebuttal is implied claim that Waymo / Cruise are perfectly safe. I didn't mean to suggest that. I was responding to your words here: > Tesla and comma.ai have a model where they make money while making progress. I'm saying that it's not OK for a car company to keep going with dangerous self driving just because it can afford to. > FSD have been deployed on 160 thousand cars. No fatalities so far. No major crashes. That doesn't seem to be the case[1]. Though now we're going to squabble about definitions of "major" and also how is this reporting happening. [1] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/elon-musk-said-no-self-driving-tesla-had-ever-crashed https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/elon-musk-...