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Except it forces you to use node js, or do I read it wrong? Can we get a streamlined js framework that is just about the frontend and let’s you use whatever bac

by fruit2020 4y ago

Except it forces you to use node js, or do I read it wrong? Can we get a streamlined js framework that is just about the frontend and let’s you use whatever backend language you want? I know there is react, vue and angular but they seem so bloated

hamdouni 4y ago
Nodejs is only needed in the development phase.
- michaelsbradley 4y ago
  That's true if you're developing a SPA or static site with SvelteKit. However, there are APIs that involve Node being run in production, i.e. the authors of SvelteKit envision it being used to build hybrid apps that involve front-end JS and Node.js server/s.
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    Yes, the whole point of SvelteKit is that it's SSR+hydrate. But it doesn't need Node for that. It'll run on just about any Javascript engine, including Cloudflare Workers which is quite close to pure V8 + standard web APIs.
  - cpfohl 4y ago
    That is opt in! The adapter system in SK is great.
pie_flavor 4y ago
Svelte is a frontend framework, which you can use to build anything from a full SPA to a single button. SvelteKit is a Node backend framework that integrates tightly with Svelte.
- yencabulator 4y ago
  SvelteKit is a Javascript backend framework. It only uses Node at build time (with hopes of replacing even that with e.g. Deno), the deployed serverside component will happily run outside of Node.
- cassepipe 4y ago
  Thanks that's exactly the answer I was looking for
miohtama 4y ago
We are using SvelteKit frontend with Python backend (Pyramid + SQLAlchemy). When I started the project, I considered doing Python backend + templated HTML frontend a la Django, but SvelteKit server-side rendering was so good that I decided against this. Before I have done JSP, PHP, Django, Next, React and everything between, so I have some experience to compare. Despite all progress on Node.js backends, they still cannot compete with Python for complex SQL + ORM use cases. The frontend is open source and available here if someone is interested what a complex SSR heavy SvelteKit application deployment looks like: http://github.com/tradingstrategy-ai/frontend http://github.com/tradingstrategy-ai/frontend The SSR server is a lightweight Node.js web server (Vite), but you can have it nicely along your backend API web server (Pyramid in our case). Both are reverse proxied behind the same domain using Caddy.
- eblanshey 4y ago
  I'm looking at the frontend source code, and the Svelte components look almost the same as VueJS single file components using the composition API. Can someone who has used both comment on both their pros/cons?

hamdouni 4y ago

Nodejs is only needed in the development phase.

michaelsbradley 4y ago
That's true if you're developing a SPA or static site with SvelteKit. However, there are APIs that involve Node being run in production, i.e. the authors of SvelteKit envision it being used to build hybrid apps that involve front-end JS and Node.js server/s.
- yencabulator 4y ago
  Yes, the whole point of SvelteKit is that it's SSR+hydrate. But it doesn't need Node for that. It'll run on just about any Javascript engine, including Cloudflare Workers which is quite close to pure V8 + standard web APIs.
- cpfohl 4y ago
  That is opt in! The adapter system in SK is great.

pie_flavor 4y ago

Svelte is a frontend framework, which you can use to build anything from a full SPA to a single button. SvelteKit is a Node backend framework that integrates tightly with Svelte.

yencabulator 4y ago
SvelteKit is a Javascript backend framework. It only uses Node at build time (with hopes of replacing even that with e.g. Deno), the deployed serverside component will happily run outside of Node.
cassepipe 4y ago
Thanks that's exactly the answer I was looking for

miohtama 4y ago

We are using SvelteKit frontend with Python backend (Pyramid + SQLAlchemy). When I started the project, I considered doing Python backend + templated HTML frontend a la Django, but SvelteKit server-side rendering was so good that I decided against this. Before I have done JSP, PHP, Django, Next, React and everything between, so I have some experience to compare. Despite all progress on Node.js backends, they still cannot compete with Python for complex SQL + ORM use cases. The frontend is open source and available here if someone is interested what a complex SSR heavy SvelteKit application deployment looks like: http://github.com/tradingstrategy-ai/frontend http://github.com/tradingstrategy-ai/frontend The SSR server is a lightweight Node.js web server (Vite), but you can have it nicely along your backend API web server (Pyramid in our case). Both are reverse proxied behind the same domain using Caddy.

eblanshey 4y ago
I'm looking at the frontend source code, and the Svelte components look almost the same as VueJS single file components using the composition API. Can someone who has used both comment on both their pros/cons?