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I hate meta as much as the next person, but I find this whole line of reasoning farsical and a distraction from the many actually bad things to worry about. I

I hate meta as much as the next person, but I find this whole line of reasoning farsical and a distraction from the many actually bad things to worry about. I think there's a huge difference between "inciting hatred" and "not deplatforming racist stuff quickly enough in one case." It's my understanding that meta actively tries to prevent hateful content in over 500 languages. It's a cool experiment to try to deplatform racist tendencies, but I don't see how you're accountable for failing to catch 100% of cases. I imagine if facebook didn't exist at all (and people were gathering in churches or in the street to organize their racism) we'd see a lot lot less of it being caught and likely more deaths.

aaomidi 4y ago
For what it’s worth, if Facebook is unable to exist without potentially being a catalyst of hate and genocide then maybe it shouldn’t exist. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
- hulitu 4y ago
  A lot of PR companies would like to dissagree with you (hello Cambridge Analytica).
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  You could say the same about SMS, or IRC. Or even traditional radio for that matter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision_Libre_des_Mille_Collines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision_L...
  - rightbyte 4y ago
    Neither of those manipulate any "feed".
    - Manuel_D 4y ago
      Yes, they can. Ordering by time is still a "feed" - a simple one, but it's a feed nonetheless. Many modern phones surface messages from frequent contacts up to the top, above more recent messages from low-frequency contacts. That's also a "feed". Furthermore, most of the calls to violence were made over Facebook messenger which is arguably a lot more like SMS and IRC. I find the argument that Facebook's feed was significant to hold little water. People will coordinate with whatever communication mechanisms they have access to. In the past this was SMS, and even further into the past this was radio. Do we forget the Balkans, Rwanda, and plenty of other atrocities that predate widespread adoption of social media.
      - rightbyte 4y ago
        Ye well I agree.
nier 4y ago
Problem is they are not only giving a platform to racism but also amplifying it because that is what drives engagement and more engagement is necessary to show more ads and that’s good for the bottom line and that makes it possible to pay $2,000,000,000. Facebook simply needs to vanish into thin air.
- knaik94 4y ago
  Facebook doesn't care what becomes amplified, the other racist users on the platform are amplifying hateful posts by engaging with them. That's not the same as intentionally promoting it. Facebook vanishing would make zero difference in social media being used to promote racisms, Parler demonstrated that people will seek alternatives when deplatformed.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    Of course they care.They care that revenue grows.

aaomidi 4y ago

For what it’s worth, if Facebook is unable to exist without potentially being a catalyst of hate and genocide then maybe it shouldn’t exist. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

hulitu 4y ago
A lot of PR companies would like to dissagree with you (hello Cambridge Analytica).
Manuel_D 4y ago
You could say the same about SMS, or IRC. Or even traditional radio for that matter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision_Libre_des_Mille_Collines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision_L...
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Neither of those manipulate any "feed".
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    Yes, they can. Ordering by time is still a "feed" - a simple one, but it's a feed nonetheless. Many modern phones surface messages from frequent contacts up to the top, above more recent messages from low-frequency contacts. That's also a "feed". Furthermore, most of the calls to violence were made over Facebook messenger which is arguably a lot more like SMS and IRC. I find the argument that Facebook's feed was significant to hold little water. People will coordinate with whatever communication mechanisms they have access to. In the past this was SMS, and even further into the past this was radio. Do we forget the Balkans, Rwanda, and plenty of other atrocities that predate widespread adoption of social media.
    - rightbyte 4y ago
      Ye well I agree.

nier 4y ago

Problem is they are not only giving a platform to racism but also amplifying it because that is what drives engagement and more engagement is necessary to show more ads and that’s good for the bottom line and that makes it possible to pay $2,000,000,000. Facebook simply needs to vanish into thin air.

knaik94 4y ago
Facebook doesn't care what becomes amplified, the other racist users on the platform are amplifying hateful posts by engaging with them. That's not the same as intentionally promoting it. Facebook vanishing would make zero difference in social media being used to promote racisms, Parler demonstrated that people will seek alternatives when deplatformed.
- hulitu 4y ago
  Of course they care.They care that revenue grows.