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if anything this won’t hurt them, rather it will drive more users to apple devices.

by manzu 4y ago

Gareth321 4y ago
Great! Then everyone wins.
smoldesu 4y ago
The goal wasn't hurting them in the first place, just ensuring that Apple plays fair on their own hardware. You may be totally correct with your second point, if Apple implements things well.
- Terretta 4y ago
  > just ensuring that Apple plays fair on their own hardware As software, firmware, and hardware lines blur, it's a legacy concept that hardware and software must be divided. Incredible value comes from fluid and designer-driven remixing of the three according to usability, ruggedness/resilience, and security principles. The most useful appliances for Normals™ will be the ones that blend these best. This kind of ruling holds us back from the huge vertically integrated design investments that deliver ease of use and trust that end users want.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Well, good news. Apple can still blur the lines for you while unlocking the bootloader for me and letting normal users install software packages. You have yet to present an example of how the things I want conflict with the things you want.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      Go read the discussion sections of any of the other 50,000 times this exact exchange has happened. There's plenty of explaining in those. It never seems to get through, but you could fill a 20-volume encyclopedia with those (incredibly repetitive) posts. TL;DR many Apple users like the way things are now, and don't want any amount of risk to that. The chief risk we see is that we'll no longer be able to get 100% of the software we want (or are forced to use) on iOS through the Apple app store, with all of Apple's protections and guarantees, or that Apple will have to reduce those protections and guarantees to keep such a splintering from happening. Yes, we're aware that Android hasn't seen much adoption of alternative stores, but Android also hasn't (delightfully) jammed a thumb in Facebook's eye over and over. Even a small chance of that coming to pass isn't worth it to us. We wish you'd all just go use Android or Linux phones or whatever and leave us alone.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        Well, sucks for you. Europe wants Apple to compete with other software stores, and you'll be hard-pressed to defend Apple's stranglehold on software distribution. It's fine that you enjoy Apple's curation, they can still curate things for you under the new law. They just also need to provide competitive app distribution. Considering how many complaints I've heard from devs vis-a-vis the App Store, I reckon some competition is exactly what Apple needs to put them in line.
        yamtaddle 4y ago
        > Well, sucks for you. Yes. So you get why some of us aren't thrilled about all this.
      - ThatPlayer 4y ago
        >The chief risk we see is that we'll no longer be able to get 100% of the software we want (or are forced to use) on iOS through the Apple app store I don't think that's ever been the case. You've never been able to get an alternative browser on the Apple App Store or a streaming gaming app such as Xbox Cloud Gaming, or Geforce Now. Or currently I cannot get Fortnite These are all apps I want that are not available on the Apple App Store.
        yamtaddle 4y ago
        Then you're not part of that "we" :-) Which is fine, to be clear. It's just opinions and preferences.
        Terretta 4y ago
        I play Xbox Cloud Gaming. On iOS. As a web app saved to Home Screen. Works fantastic, iPad Pro with Xbox controller is the bomb. (Btw, SetApp app approach works too.) Meanwhile, Steam competes with Gig on PC and charges 30%. All this 'allow alt app stores to break apple's pricing' (zero other real benefits are cited) has not happened on PC.
        4y ago
ajkjk 4y ago
I think it will help some people use apple who were infinitely frustrated by this. But I'm sure Apple has done the calculation and benefits more than it hurts from being a total dick to its users, or they wouldn't be doing it.
codq 4y ago
I've long said that a USB-C iPhone with Google Assistant as default would be my dream phone. Santa EU seems to be bringing me the gift I've always wanted.
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if anything this won’t hurt them, rather it will drive more users to apple devices.

by manzu 4y ago

if anything this won’t hurt them, rather it will drive more users to apple devices.

Gareth321 4y ago

Great! Then everyone wins.

smoldesu 4y ago

The goal wasn't hurting them in the first place, just ensuring that Apple plays fair on their own hardware. You may be totally correct with your second point, if Apple implements things well.

Terretta 4y ago
> just ensuring that Apple plays fair on their own hardware As software, firmware, and hardware lines blur, it's a legacy concept that hardware and software must be divided. Incredible value comes from fluid and designer-driven remixing of the three according to usability, ruggedness/resilience, and security principles. The most useful appliances for Normals™ will be the ones that blend these best. This kind of ruling holds us back from the huge vertically integrated design investments that deliver ease of use and trust that end users want.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Well, good news. Apple can still blur the lines for you while unlocking the bootloader for me and letting normal users install software packages. You have yet to present an example of how the things I want conflict with the things you want.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Go read the discussion sections of any of the other 50,000 times this exact exchange has happened. There's plenty of explaining in those. It never seems to get through, but you could fill a 20-volume encyclopedia with those (incredibly repetitive) posts. TL;DR many Apple users like the way things are now, and don't want any amount of risk to that. The chief risk we see is that we'll no longer be able to get 100% of the software we want (or are forced to use) on iOS through the Apple app store, with all of Apple's protections and guarantees, or that Apple will have to reduce those protections and guarantees to keep such a splintering from happening. Yes, we're aware that Android hasn't seen much adoption of alternative stores, but Android also hasn't (delightfully) jammed a thumb in Facebook's eye over and over. Even a small chance of that coming to pass isn't worth it to us. We wish you'd all just go use Android or Linux phones or whatever and leave us alone.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Well, sucks for you. Europe wants Apple to compete with other software stores, and you'll be hard-pressed to defend Apple's stranglehold on software distribution. It's fine that you enjoy Apple's curation, they can still curate things for you under the new law. They just also need to provide competitive app distribution. Considering how many complaints I've heard from devs vis-a-vis the App Store, I reckon some competition is exactly what Apple needs to put them in line.
      - yamtaddle 4y ago
        > Well, sucks for you. Yes. So you get why some of us aren't thrilled about all this.
    - ThatPlayer 4y ago
      >The chief risk we see is that we'll no longer be able to get 100% of the software we want (or are forced to use) on iOS through the Apple app store I don't think that's ever been the case. You've never been able to get an alternative browser on the Apple App Store or a streaming gaming app such as Xbox Cloud Gaming, or Geforce Now. Or currently I cannot get Fortnite These are all apps I want that are not available on the Apple App Store.
      - yamtaddle 4y ago
        Then you're not part of that "we" :-) Which is fine, to be clear. It's just opinions and preferences.
      - Terretta 4y ago
        I play Xbox Cloud Gaming. On iOS. As a web app saved to Home Screen. Works fantastic, iPad Pro with Xbox controller is the bomb. (Btw, SetApp app approach works too.) Meanwhile, Steam competes with Gig on PC and charges 30%. All this 'allow alt app stores to break apple's pricing' (zero other real benefits are cited) has not happened on PC.
        4y ago

ajkjk 4y ago

I think it will help some people use apple who were infinitely frustrated by this. But I'm sure Apple has done the calculation and benefits more than it hurts from being a total dick to its users, or they wouldn't be doing it.

codq 4y ago

I've long said that a USB-C iPhone with Google Assistant as default would be my dream phone. Santa EU seems to be bringing me the gift I've always wanted.

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