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The only ridiculous thing here is the take of people who don't see how harmful prostitution is to females as a class and try to pass prostitution as some "femin

The only ridiculous thing here is the take of people who don't see how harmful prostitution is to females as a class and try to pass prostitution as some "feminist" thing. The nordic model is certainly anti-john and that's probably what triggers the parent. That only the client might go to jail. That's a good compromise.

naasking 4y ago
> The only ridiculous thing here is the take of people who don't see how harmful prostitution is to females as a class This is a failure to separate the circumstances surrounding illegal prostitution (pimping, drugs, trafficking) from the act itself. The reason prostitution can be empowering for women is because sex is widely desired, and something that is widely desired is a great financial opportunity. There are no shortage of stories about women paying for college by escorting rather than taking on huge student debt. Taking that opportunity away from women can be seen as just another patriarchal oppression, and the excuse given is that they can't have this opportunity because some other men want to use them to exploit that same opportunity. It's patriarchy all the way down. It would be great if people didn't have to worry about money, but that's not the world we live in. Don't take away their opportunities to better their lives, how about you go after the people actually causing harm. That is the liberal position. > That's a good compromise. Not really, you're just endangering women again by driving it underground where they can't protect themselves.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  > Not really, you're just endangering women again by driving it underground where they can't protect themselves. Not really, that's a pure invention of yours. The Nordic model does protect prostitutes from pimps and johns. Go educate yourself: https://nordicmodelnow.org/ https://nordicmodelnow.org/
  - naasking 4y ago
    > Not really, that's a pure invention of yours. The Nordic model does protect prostitutes from pimps and johns. Funny, because we had a whole debate about it here in Canada, and guess what? All of the actual sex workers came out against it and said it would endanger them. But I'm sure your propaganda is more reliable or unbiased than the testimony of the people this would most affect.
    - vonvtoo 4y ago
      All of them? Really, we know that's not true. There's a concerted effort to amplify only the voices that will continue to benefit pimps and punters and other vile men.
      - naasking 4y ago
        > All of them? Really, we know that's not true. The Nordic model does not offer any real benefits to sex workers and still leaves their job dangerous, so why would they support it? https://nonordicmodel.com/ https://nonordicmodel.com/ > There's a concerted effort to amplify only the voices that will continue to benefit pimps and punters and other vile men. It's amazing how people willfully blind themselves when it suits their prejudice. The primary organizations pushing for reform of Canada's sex work laws are led by sex workers themselves [1]. But I suppose in your mind they're just brainwashed or coerced? [1] https://sexworklawreform.com/ https://sexworklawreform.com/
vonvtoo 4y ago
Well said. It's always very telling when men have more sympathy with the johns than the women they're raping.

naasking 4y ago

> The only ridiculous thing here is the take of people who don't see how harmful prostitution is to females as a class This is a failure to separate the circumstances surrounding illegal prostitution (pimping, drugs, trafficking) from the act itself. The reason prostitution can be empowering for women is because sex is widely desired, and something that is widely desired is a great financial opportunity. There are no shortage of stories about women paying for college by escorting rather than taking on huge student debt. Taking that opportunity away from women can be seen as just another patriarchal oppression, and the excuse given is that they can't have this opportunity because some other men want to use them to exploit that same opportunity. It's patriarchy all the way down. It would be great if people didn't have to worry about money, but that's not the world we live in. Don't take away their opportunities to better their lives, how about you go after the people actually causing harm. That is the liberal position. > That's a good compromise. Not really, you're just endangering women again by driving it underground where they can't protect themselves.

throw_m239339 4y ago
> Not really, you're just endangering women again by driving it underground where they can't protect themselves. Not really, that's a pure invention of yours. The Nordic model does protect prostitutes from pimps and johns. Go educate yourself: https://nordicmodelnow.org/ https://nordicmodelnow.org/
- naasking 4y ago
  > Not really, that's a pure invention of yours. The Nordic model does protect prostitutes from pimps and johns. Funny, because we had a whole debate about it here in Canada, and guess what? All of the actual sex workers came out against it and said it would endanger them. But I'm sure your propaganda is more reliable or unbiased than the testimony of the people this would most affect.
  - vonvtoo 4y ago
    All of them? Really, we know that's not true. There's a concerted effort to amplify only the voices that will continue to benefit pimps and punters and other vile men.
    - naasking 4y ago
      > All of them? Really, we know that's not true. The Nordic model does not offer any real benefits to sex workers and still leaves their job dangerous, so why would they support it? https://nonordicmodel.com/ https://nonordicmodel.com/ > There's a concerted effort to amplify only the voices that will continue to benefit pimps and punters and other vile men. It's amazing how people willfully blind themselves when it suits their prejudice. The primary organizations pushing for reform of Canada's sex work laws are led by sex workers themselves [1]. But I suppose in your mind they're just brainwashed or coerced? [1] https://sexworklawreform.com/ https://sexworklawreform.com/

vonvtoo 4y ago

Well said. It's always very telling when men have more sympathy with the johns than the women they're raping.