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> I honestly do not understand the obsession with self driving or driver assist. Self driving would be a complete game changer for the disabled.

andrewmunsell 4y ago
Or, the elderly. How many times have we seen accidents due to an confused individual driving down the wrong side of the street or mistaking the accelerator for brake? Tesla may not ever get FSD working with its current approach, but if a competitor can do it (even geofenced like how Waymo and Cruise operate today!) and the economies of scale could kick in to make it more affordable than Ubering everywhere, then it would be a huge benefit to those that are even unable to use public transportation.
beAbU 4y ago
What benefit does this bring over public transport or something like taxis/ride sharing services? If I can be allowed to grossly generalze here: would the elderly and the disabled be in a position to afford a vehicle as expensive as this? Would they /need/ a permanent vehicle to take them to wherever they need to be, if they already have everything they need right there (hospice, retirement complex etc)? Remember: I'm grossly generalizing here, but I think my point stands. The way I see it: I've been making use of FSD vehicles to take me to work and back for almost a decade now. Sometimes even the vehicle arrives right to my front door and takes me directly to my destination. The fact that it's wetware instead of software has no material impact on my experience or expectations. Thus I'll always go for the cheapest option. In my view FSD is trying to solve a problem that only exists in the mind of the isolated techie who forgets about the real world sometimes.
- Blackthorn 4y ago
  > What benefit does this bring over public transport or something like taxis/ride sharing services? No offense but do you own a car? Or do you only ever take public transport and taxis / ride-shares all the time? Being able to do things on your own, when you want to, on your own schedule, especially in places that are not cities and have much worse infrastructure on both public transit and ride sharing, is immensely freeing.
gnu8 4y ago
For the disabled people with money anyway. How are disabled people who live entirely from disability subsidies supposed to buy a Tesla?
- Blackthorn 4y ago
  I'm not talking about Tesla, just self driving in general, which is what the comment was asking about. I don't trust Tesla to ever deliver an actual self driving product.

andrewmunsell 4y ago

Or, the elderly. How many times have we seen accidents due to an confused individual driving down the wrong side of the street or mistaking the accelerator for brake? Tesla may not ever get FSD working with its current approach, but if a competitor can do it (even geofenced like how Waymo and Cruise operate today!) and the economies of scale could kick in to make it more affordable than Ubering everywhere, then it would be a huge benefit to those that are even unable to use public transportation.

beAbU 4y ago

What benefit does this bring over public transport or something like taxis/ride sharing services? If I can be allowed to grossly generalze here: would the elderly and the disabled be in a position to afford a vehicle as expensive as this? Would they /need/ a permanent vehicle to take them to wherever they need to be, if they already have everything they need right there (hospice, retirement complex etc)? Remember: I'm grossly generalizing here, but I think my point stands. The way I see it: I've been making use of FSD vehicles to take me to work and back for almost a decade now. Sometimes even the vehicle arrives right to my front door and takes me directly to my destination. The fact that it's wetware instead of software has no material impact on my experience or expectations. Thus I'll always go for the cheapest option. In my view FSD is trying to solve a problem that only exists in the mind of the isolated techie who forgets about the real world sometimes.

Blackthorn 4y ago
> What benefit does this bring over public transport or something like taxis/ride sharing services? No offense but do you own a car? Or do you only ever take public transport and taxis / ride-shares all the time? Being able to do things on your own, when you want to, on your own schedule, especially in places that are not cities and have much worse infrastructure on both public transit and ride sharing, is immensely freeing.

gnu8 4y ago

For the disabled people with money anyway. How are disabled people who live entirely from disability subsidies supposed to buy a Tesla?

Blackthorn 4y ago
I'm not talking about Tesla, just self driving in general, which is what the comment was asking about. I don't trust Tesla to ever deliver an actual self driving product.