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Did you actually keep it on those whole 3 miles? I would have stopped after the first near miss.

bin_bash 4y ago
I disengaged twice because I was terrified of what it might do but turned it back on. I'm generally a very early adopter with these kinds of things (I'm the type of person to always turn on "Beta" mode regardless of what I'm working with). So I have a high tolerance for things not working the way they should. This is unbelievably terrible though. I really regret purchasing it.
- Zigurd 4y ago
  This makes me feel like running an Android beta on my daily use phone just isn't that daring.
  - mcculley 4y ago
    This thread and the other comments on this post are amazing. One cannot sell a car without a seatbelt, but Tesla can use their customers for beta testing a dangerous system that drives a whole car around.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  It would seem like a return and a refund for selling a defective product is in order.
  - masklinn 4y ago
    I expect that's exactly why you're paying to be a beta tester: they can keep your money and not deliver anything. The one time I really beta tested a for-profit product, not only did I get it for free, I actually got a rebate on the final product (it was pycharm, and jetbrains gave me a free license for a year, which they got back many times over as I renewed yearly ever since). Though I guess the early accesses I got for kickstarters were kinda like paying for a beta in a way.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      I don't think 'beta tester' is a recognized class in terms of consumer law. You're a customer, a merchant, a manufacturer or a bystander. Besides that for something that costs that kind of money you can simply expect it to work.
- tqi 4y ago
  > I'm generally a very early adopter with these kinds of things Which in turn makes everyone else around your car an early adopter?
  - Cshelton 4y ago
    By that logic, all drivers are early adopters every time a new driver gets their license and enters the "driving pool".
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - ska 4y ago
      Isn't that why lots of of jurisdictions have constraints on the learning driver (e.g. graduated licensing of some sort) and/or visibility requirements (e.g. car has to have a "learner" sticker of some sort) so that other drivers know?
      - maximus-decimus 4y ago
        I literally never heard of such stickers.
        paulryanrogers 4y ago
        We had them in the Midwest US. And the learner vehicles have an extra break pedal for the instructor. Which is good because a student in my group nearly killed us trying to merge into a semi.
    - sifar 4y ago
      They probably are to some extent, and you know where the liability would lie if they are responsible should something bad happen. What about this case ? There is no sense of responsibility or realization of the danger they are introducing at scale . Even when they actually admit that they have failed at it [0]. I am not sure if they are aware of the doublespeak in this admission. [0] Failure to realize a long-term aspirational goal is not fraud.

I disengaged twice because I was terrified of what it might do but turned it back on. I'm generally a very early adopter with these kinds of things (I'm the type of person to always turn on "Beta" mode regardless of what I'm working with). So I have a high tolerance for things not working the way they should. This is unbelievably terrible though. I really regret purchasing it.

Zigurd 4y ago
This makes me feel like running an Android beta on my daily use phone just isn't that daring.
- mcculley 4y ago
  This thread and the other comments on this post are amazing. One cannot sell a car without a seatbelt, but Tesla can use their customers for beta testing a dangerous system that drives a whole car around.
jacquesm 4y ago
It would seem like a return and a refund for selling a defective product is in order.
- masklinn 4y ago
  I expect that's exactly why you're paying to be a beta tester: they can keep your money and not deliver anything. The one time I really beta tested a for-profit product, not only did I get it for free, I actually got a rebate on the final product (it was pycharm, and jetbrains gave me a free license for a year, which they got back many times over as I renewed yearly ever since). Though I guess the early accesses I got for kickstarters were kinda like paying for a beta in a way.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    I don't think 'beta tester' is a recognized class in terms of consumer law. You're a customer, a merchant, a manufacturer or a bystander. Besides that for something that costs that kind of money you can simply expect it to work.
tqi 4y ago
> I'm generally a very early adopter with these kinds of things Which in turn makes everyone else around your car an early adopter?
- Cshelton 4y ago
  By that logic, all drivers are early adopters every time a new driver gets their license and enters the "driving pool".
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - ska 4y ago
    Isn't that why lots of of jurisdictions have constraints on the learning driver (e.g. graduated licensing of some sort) and/or visibility requirements (e.g. car has to have a "learner" sticker of some sort) so that other drivers know?
    - maximus-decimus 4y ago
      I literally never heard of such stickers.
      - paulryanrogers 4y ago
        We had them in the Midwest US. And the learner vehicles have an extra break pedal for the instructor. Which is good because a student in my group nearly killed us trying to merge into a semi.
  - sifar 4y ago
    They probably are to some extent, and you know where the liability would lie if they are responsible should something bad happen. What about this case ? There is no sense of responsibility or realization of the danger they are introducing at scale . Even when they actually admit that they have failed at it [0]. I am not sure if they are aware of the doublespeak in this admission. [0] Failure to realize a long-term aspirational goal is not fraud.