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There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech righ

by starkd 4y ago

There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.

Q6T46nT668w6i3m 4y ago
You think we should enshrine property (e.g., aircraft) with a right to privacy?
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Expensive property will soon have more rifhts that poor people do
- kjksf 4y ago
  Can I attach a GPS tracker to your car and publish the coordinates in real time to the internet? Of course I can't. It would be illegal. Not because of disingenuous "car has a right to privacy" logic but because any judge would conclude that by tracking a car you're tracking the owner of the car and the owner does have a right to privacy. Similarly, if the name @ElonJet doesn't give out the purpose: the account is tracking Elon by way of tracking his jet. Morally speaking, the justification for transparency of jet location was to track them in order to increase safety of flying. It wasn't to enable tracking of rich people. It's legal but it's a loophole. And somehow Elon hate completely overshadows the fact that the guy running @ElonJet account is an asshole.
  - Q6T46nT668w6i3m 4y ago
    I think you misunderstand the situation. The transponder transmits the data. This isn’t anything like attaching a GPS device to someone’s car.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Not because of disingenuous "car has a right to privacy" logic but because any judge would conclude that by tracking a car you're tracking the owner of the car and the owner does have a right to privacy. I think you'll find that it has far more to do with directly interfering with another person's property without permission. If you publish someone's coordinates by using publicly accessible traffic cameras or (cost considerations aside) flying your own news helicopter around, the arguments become a lot vaguer. It's not clear that there's a legal/constitutional right to privacy in the US, and indeed recent supreme court decisions about abortion seem to reject the notion; jurisprudence in the 1970s saw an implicit right to privacy in certain constitutional provisions, an idea which 'originalists' regard as BS.
verst 4y ago
This has been discussed many times - the flight data and aircraft registration details are publicly accessible via the FAA. Posting that data in an easily accessible form hardly violates anyone's privacy.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  To be fair, there is a difference when its made extremely accessible. Even the courts have seen this as a key difference with surveillance. My question here is whether there is actually a rule here and whether that rule will be followed, or was it just done capriciously because Musk didn't like it. I have my guesses, of course, but I haven't checked if they are true.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I can get the same information on flightradar24. You want to ban them from the Internet?
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Don't be silly. Musk just wants to ban their Twitter account if they start to post the information to his specific plane. As long as they post specifics about someone else's plane, their account will be considered in good standing. Since it was an individual not linked to a website, it's an even easier decision for him.
    - kjksf 4y ago
      It's not the same information. flightradar24 tracks jets. Go ahead and see if you can figure out where Jeff Bezos or Larry Ellison is from flightrader24. You can't unless you know the jet number they happen to be using. @ElonJet is effectively tracking Elon and broadcasting that, and only that, information to the whole world. In theory you could track Elon yourself by correlating public info (figuring out which jets he owns and using flightrader24) but it's orders of magnitude more effort and I don't see how "you can figure it out" justify "publish it to the whole world".
  - 4y ago
penultimatename 4y ago
I'll let the FAA know they're instrumental in violating the privacy of jet owners.
JadeNB 4y ago
> There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here. But Musk had previously called out specifically this account as one that he would not ban (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456). So, whether or not he has a right to ban it, this represents a reneging on an explicit commitment.

by starkd 4y ago

There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.

Q6T46nT668w6i3m 4y ago

You think we should enshrine property (e.g., aircraft) with a right to privacy?

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Expensive property will soon have more rifhts that poor people do
kjksf 4y ago
Can I attach a GPS tracker to your car and publish the coordinates in real time to the internet? Of course I can't. It would be illegal. Not because of disingenuous "car has a right to privacy" logic but because any judge would conclude that by tracking a car you're tracking the owner of the car and the owner does have a right to privacy. Similarly, if the name @ElonJet doesn't give out the purpose: the account is tracking Elon by way of tracking his jet. Morally speaking, the justification for transparency of jet location was to track them in order to increase safety of flying. It wasn't to enable tracking of rich people. It's legal but it's a loophole. And somehow Elon hate completely overshadows the fact that the guy running @ElonJet account is an asshole.
- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 4y ago
  I think you misunderstand the situation. The transponder transmits the data. This isn’t anything like attaching a GPS device to someone’s car.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Not because of disingenuous "car has a right to privacy" logic but because any judge would conclude that by tracking a car you're tracking the owner of the car and the owner does have a right to privacy. I think you'll find that it has far more to do with directly interfering with another person's property without permission. If you publish someone's coordinates by using publicly accessible traffic cameras or (cost considerations aside) flying your own news helicopter around, the arguments become a lot vaguer. It's not clear that there's a legal/constitutional right to privacy in the US, and indeed recent supreme court decisions about abortion seem to reject the notion; jurisprudence in the 1970s saw an implicit right to privacy in certain constitutional provisions, an idea which 'originalists' regard as BS.

verst 4y ago

This has been discussed many times - the flight data and aircraft registration details are publicly accessible via the FAA. Posting that data in an easily accessible form hardly violates anyone's privacy.

_ea1k 4y ago
To be fair, there is a difference when its made extremely accessible. Even the courts have seen this as a key difference with surveillance. My question here is whether there is actually a rule here and whether that rule will be followed, or was it just done capriciously because Musk didn't like it. I have my guesses, of course, but I haven't checked if they are true.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I can get the same information on flightradar24. You want to ban them from the Internet?
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Don't be silly. Musk just wants to ban their Twitter account if they start to post the information to his specific plane. As long as they post specifics about someone else's plane, their account will be considered in good standing. Since it was an individual not linked to a website, it's an even easier decision for him.
  - kjksf 4y ago
    It's not the same information. flightradar24 tracks jets. Go ahead and see if you can figure out where Jeff Bezos or Larry Ellison is from flightrader24. You can't unless you know the jet number they happen to be using. @ElonJet is effectively tracking Elon and broadcasting that, and only that, information to the whole world. In theory you could track Elon yourself by correlating public info (figuring out which jets he owns and using flightrader24) but it's orders of magnitude more effort and I don't see how "you can figure it out" justify "publish it to the whole world".
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penultimatename 4y ago

I'll let the FAA know they're instrumental in violating the privacy of jet owners.

JadeNB 4y ago

> There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here. But Musk had previously called out specifically this account as one that he would not ban (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456). So, whether or not he has a right to ban it, this represents a reneging on an explicit commitment.