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Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.
by ancapsfascists 4y ago
Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.
- Cthulhu_ 4y agoHis narrative being petty things like "my pronouns are impeach/Fauci", since that's definitely something to spend $44B for.
- polygamous_bat 4y agoI believe that is only the tip of the iceberg, given anti-vax narrative and transphobia is endlessly repeated by those on the far/alt-right. I see the "Prosecute/Fauci" tweet as a signal towards his intended audience for what kind of place he wants Twitter to be.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago> I see the "Prosecute/Fauci" tweet as a signal Indeed. I saw it described as "he's raised the Batshit signal"
- minimaxir 4y agoIt's more that Elon wants positive feedback and there's one only audience that will give it to him at this point.
- philosopher1234 4y agoThe way he runs his companies is "do a good job or else ill come in and do your job badly". Hes doing this with the world now. "Find a way to like me or ill fuck you up"
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- eli 4y agoAs with Trump, I think there's a tendency to impute some master plan behind Musk's bizarre and offensive statements. His actions show he doesn't spend a lot of time on planning. Is it a signal? Sure. But also he's just a shitposter with right-wing beliefs. I think he mostly operates on instinct.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoI think the predictable right on cue overreaction is hilarious. Remember: Don't feed the trolls It's petty, I find it tasteless, but I still must admire how easily he plays everyone.
- drcongo 4y agoI'm surprised you find the sole of his boot tasteless.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoWhat is that supposed to mean? I haven't had a Twitter account for the last decade.
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- dang 4y agoWould you please stop posting flamewar comments and/or using the site for ideological battle? We ban accounts that do these things, regardless of what they're battling for or against, because it's not what this site is for and destroys what it is for. We've had to ask you this kind of thing before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27098612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27098612 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19983270 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19983270 (May 2019) You've unfortunately been doing it quite a lot lately. If that keeps up, we're going to end up having to ban you. Fortunately, you've also posted good comments, so this shouldn't be hard to fix. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, we'd appreciate it.
- justbored123 4y ago[dead]
- the_duke 4y agoI have believed from the start that Musk's main motivation for buying Twitter was giving a boon to the Republicans to buy favorable treatment for his companies, because he isn't getting that from the Democrats. I'll probably work.
- potency 4y agoHe's also restored countless accounts that were banned under previous ownership. While banning ElonJet flys in the face of being a "free speech absolutist", he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech.
- jupp0r 4y agoTwitter has also banned lots of left wing activist accounts, maybe we can agree that he has demonstrated that he's in favor of some free speech but not of free other speech?
- fckgw 4y ago*freer speech that he likes
- badRNG 4y ago> he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech. He's just changed who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs. Accounts banned under the previous regime are unbanned and accounts that either were or likely would be permitted previously are now banned, with recent examples being the account that initially hosted the viral clip of Elon being booed on Chappelle's show and now ElonJet. The latter example is particularly important, since both the public and Elon himself seemed to view this account as a litmus test of his commitment to "free speech."
- philippejara 4y agothe account that hosted his clip wasn't suspended, it was deleted, doesn't seem like anyone banned it. for example here's a banned account: https://twitter.com/h3h3productions/ https://twitter.com/h3h3productions/ here's the account that posted the video: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885 https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885 well seems like he reactivated his account(pretty sure you got like 30 days or something to reactivate it after deleting or something like that), here's an archive of how it looked: https://archive.ph/W0d0v https://archive.ph/W0d0v The elonjet account however is a pretty bad one gotta agree, wonder if there will be any kind of explanation or attempt at one.
- tootie 4y agoHe couldn't possibly. It's just not how any business is run. No idea if he was lying from the start or really was just so starry-eyed at his new toy that he never thought it through. Content moderation is done to maximize the value of the platform. Yishan Wong rightly pointed out that spam is free speech, but we routinely delete it because users hate it. Cloudflare went through the same song and dance about free speech until customers threatened to leave until they severed ties with Daily Stormer. Customers leaving is free speech too. And things like threats, abuse, harassment, doxxing may be the free speech of the abusers, it has the effect of chilling the free speech of victims or potential victims. There's simply no Libertarian ideal that can be achieved in one place. The Internet as a whole is an absolute haven of free speech. Twitter caters to a certain audience, Facebook to another. They're very broad, but not infinite. There are plenty of other places that cater to the audiences that they don't. And people can always find ways to share their ideas with no interference. The thing they aren't entitle too is reach.
- erlich 4y agoIs doxing free speech though? Do you think so?
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- eternalban 4y agoThis is more like paparazzi following famous people around. Doxing some random person is different matter than posting the travel patterns of a Russian oligarch or an American oligarch like Elon.
- erlich 4y agoOkay so if you reach a certain wealth level, everyone should be entitled to see where you are? If that's the world you want to live in, fine. My doubt would be that if you accrued such wealth, your opinion would rapidly change. So this position is doubtful. I think it's better for everyone to be entitled to their privacy.
- eternalban 4y agoPointing out that it really is not the same situation and it's not generic "doxing". A random individual is very likely powerless. Someone who very visibly, very loudly, and very consequentially, inserts himself or herself into global and national matters is a very public person, by choice. No one is peering into his house and taking pictures. Someone published legally available public data about an aircraft, exercising their right to freedom of speech. And certainly not powerless. Being an oligarch (or celebrity) -- you know, you get to call heads of state and have a chat -- is not about "wealth" or "fame"; it is a hazy zone between power and wealth.
- erlich 4y agoI think you are only imagining people you dislike. Try to think of someone you admire. Fighting for a good cause. A pro-choice activist or an female celebrity flying to an African country to work with NGOs for women's health issues or something.
- stainablesteel 4y agothis is still quick judgement, you don't know why the account is suspended
- Ztynovovk 4y agoIt appears that all automated flight tracking accounts utilizing open source data from @ADSBexchange have been banned from Twitter, including @RUOligarchJets.
- stainablesteel 4y agoit seems it was because people finally used the jet tracker to stalk his family, i honestly don't blame him with all the hysteric hatred he gets, he still has a right to safety for him and his family