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A lot of hypocrisy from Elon here, but I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to taking down these accounts that are tracking people as it's so close to a Doxing or

A lot of hypocrisy from Elon here, but I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to taking down these accounts that are tracking people as it's so close to a Doxing or could lead to something bad happening. A few years ago, we were all mad at Uber for their "God View" which tracked celebrity locations -> https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38314832 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38314832

abraxas 4y ago
Yeah, meanwhile a guy who has millions of followers and keeps spewing conspiracy nonsense about stolen elections is allowed back in because of course nothing bad could ever happen out of inciting that.
- GameOfFrowns 4y ago
  - Cthulhu_ 4y ago
    How often has she mentioned the elections were stolen again?
    - GameOfFrowns 4y ago
      >How often has she mentioned the elections were stolen again? Often enough[0] (it's questionable if the Mueller probe would have even happened without Clinton & Democratic Party clamoring for it) and the last time just a month ago: "Hillary Clinton: Right-Wingers Plot To 'LITERALLY STEAL' The Election In 2024"[1] [0] https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/10/2016-election-fact-check-democrats-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/69548196007/ https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsQAFpe8mEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsQAFpe8mEU
ProAm 4y ago
This is publicly available information. It's nothing close to doxing.
breakingcups 4y ago
Uber used their own private, proprietary information. Flights are public by design. If he had a problem with that, he should not own a jet.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  The data isn't publicly available from the government because the plane is on the LADD list https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts Thus the only public source is ADSBExchange because it uses croudsourced data. So the data isn't "public by design" but due to a lack of privacy laws that prohibit selling this sort location data.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    The planes literally broadcast their location. It is in fact, public data.
    - shkkmo 4y ago
      Aggregation of this type of public data (face recognition, license plates, cookies, etc) can absolutely create new privacy concerns. We should have privacy laws that protect us from this type of aggregation. Whether those laws should extend to plane transponder data comes down to the tradeoff between loss of privacy/security and transparency gains. What I don't like is the argument that purely because some piece of information is "public", we should allow companies to aggregate and sell this data.
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        100% when it comes to getting legislation out that that limits what data companies can aggregate and sell. But I dont think the current location of the jets of the rich.... that's the starting point for the conversation?! And as a reminder, these planes literally broadcast their location themselves to the public.
        4y ago
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
Ironic, given Elon now has access to everyone's Twitter data, including location data and private messages - and he's already selling or giving it to others like political figures he wants to influence, mark my words.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  > and he's already selling or giving it to others like political figures he wants to influence Do you have any evidence for this assertion? Edit: To me, this possibility is why we need laws that protect people from having this sort of private information sold or distributed.

abraxas 4y ago

Yeah, meanwhile a guy who has millions of followers and keeps spewing conspiracy nonsense about stolen elections is allowed back in because of course nothing bad could ever happen out of inciting that.

GameOfFrowns 4y ago
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  How often has she mentioned the elections were stolen again?
  - GameOfFrowns 4y ago
    >How often has she mentioned the elections were stolen again? Often enough[0] (it's questionable if the Mueller probe would have even happened without Clinton & Democratic Party clamoring for it) and the last time just a month ago: "Hillary Clinton: Right-Wingers Plot To 'LITERALLY STEAL' The Election In 2024"[1] [0] https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/10/2016-election-fact-check-democrats-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/69548196007/ https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsQAFpe8mEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsQAFpe8mEU

ProAm 4y ago

This is publicly available information. It's nothing close to doxing.

breakingcups 4y ago

Uber used their own private, proprietary information. Flights are public by design. If he had a problem with that, he should not own a jet.

shkkmo 4y ago
The data isn't publicly available from the government because the plane is on the LADD list https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts Thus the only public source is ADSBExchange because it uses croudsourced data. So the data isn't "public by design" but due to a lack of privacy laws that prohibit selling this sort location data.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  The planes literally broadcast their location. It is in fact, public data.
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    Aggregation of this type of public data (face recognition, license plates, cookies, etc) can absolutely create new privacy concerns. We should have privacy laws that protect us from this type of aggregation. Whether those laws should extend to plane transponder data comes down to the tradeoff between loss of privacy/security and transparency gains. What I don't like is the argument that purely because some piece of information is "public", we should allow companies to aggregate and sell this data.
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      100% when it comes to getting legislation out that that limits what data companies can aggregate and sell. But I dont think the current location of the jets of the rich.... that's the starting point for the conversation?! And as a reminder, these planes literally broadcast their location themselves to the public.
      - 4y ago

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

Ironic, given Elon now has access to everyone's Twitter data, including location data and private messages - and he's already selling or giving it to others like political figures he wants to influence, mark my words.

shkkmo 4y ago
> and he's already selling or giving it to others like political figures he wants to influence Do you have any evidence for this assertion? Edit: To me, this possibility is why we need laws that protect people from having this sort of private information sold or distributed.