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Just... give Firefox a shot people. Please: https://i.imgur.com/81OpEOy.png https://i.imgur.com/81OpEOy.png

vjerancrnjak 4y ago
I tried it on mobile and it's interesting that quite a lot of websites are broken. Many tapping workflows I had in Chrome on Android are fully broken in Firefox. From simple deepl.com to Google products that look like they dropped FF support. Even Reddit on Firefox PC crashes occasionally (the whole site turns white while browsing). Reddit on FF on Android is barely browsable.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
  I haven't encountered any issue with Firefox for Android for years. Here's how you can fix this all at once: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/g3tyfu/how_to_switch_user_agents_on_firefox_preview/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/g3tyfu/how_to_swit... Google is intentionally breaking support for Firefox on their websites. Other just don't care and support monopolies.
  - vjerancrnjak 4y ago
    Thanks, interesting, I'll try it out. I know I convinced my wife to switch to Firefox for Android (for uBlock) and she was complaining even more than I about all of her browsing workflows being crippled. Compared to her I rarely use my phone for browsing, I do not feel as impacted.
  - dijit 4y ago
    Firefox does seem to be untested for a lot of websites. You can't do video calls with Teams in firefox for a really clear and obvious example, but I encounter breakages quite often and have to switch back to Chrome. Safari suffers the same, but I get the impression people are testing safari more than Chrome.. but I hear so many complaints on hackernews about safari, I suspect at some point Chrome penetration will finally dislodge Safari on MacOS... or if MacOS market share goes down: then it's over and we have a total monopoly.
    - kbrosnan 4y ago
      Teams should be working in Firefox around now. https://www.onmsft.com/news/teams-meetings-set-to-support-2x2-gallery-view-for-firefox-users https://www.onmsft.com/news/teams-meetings-set-to-support-2x...
sphars 4y ago
Just downloaded FF this week and started using it as my primary browser as I start to transition from Chromium-based browsers. May I ask what you did to configure your browser that way (extensions/settings)? I like the look of it, and looking for ways to customize my setup.
- boplicity 4y ago
  Tree Style Tabs are nice. I also have it set up so the URL bar doesn't include search -- and the search bar is separate. This makes it easier to get to the right place by starting to type a url in the url bar. I often just type one letter and then press enter, and voila, I'm where I want to be. It "learns" over time what you're typing in. Also, of course, you should install uBlock Origin.
- owaislone 4y ago
  Also try sideberry. I moved to it from TST and like it so far.
- lioeters 4y ago
  uBlock Origin Sidebery QuickCut SingleFile Popup window Firefox Multi-Account Containers Copy All Tab Urls
  - heresie-dabord 4y ago
    Also: Privacy Badger Duck Duck Go Privacy Essentials Privacy Possum
pxoe 4y ago
firefox is overstuffed. minimal browser it is not.
- RussianCow 4y ago
  Can you explain? What is it "overstuffed" with?
  - daneel_w 4y ago
    Nobody really knows. Firefox is 350 MiB in size. The Windows XP SP3 install CD is 310 MiB in size.
    - RussianCow 4y ago
      The Arch Linux Firefox package weighs in at 237.8 MB installed.[0] Meanwhile, Chromium is 20% larger at 285.8 MB.[1] Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium. Also, that's not a useful comparison because web browsers are basically operating systems now, with how complex they are. Not to mention that Windows XP was released over two decades ago. So, again, I'm not sure what your point is. [0]: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/firefox/ https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/firefox/ [1]: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/ https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/
      - daneel_w 4y ago
        > "Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium." Safari was 40-something MiB installed a few macOS versions ago before parts of it were migrated out of the app to become protected system libraries. The reason the others you checked are of the same size is because they are forks of the same two browsers. Add.: I just have to disagree with the notion that browsers are "basically" operating systems because of how complex they are. They really are not. Not by a longshot. Neither do they contain the fundamentals of an operating system, nor do they contain the upper reaches of them. We can pretend they are operating system facsimiles by doing a lot of impressive and fun stuff in JavaScript and WASM, but this isn't the same thing. The complexity of an operating system, even a simplified one, is of a completely different sort and depth. This comparison only fits the sarcastic intention people have when making the comparison - we can joke about it, because of how absurdly large and tangled browsers have become.
BigElephant 4y ago
How do you get vertical tabs?
- mcny 4y ago
  I believe the meta is to use tree style tabs warning: is for advanced users https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
- aembleton 4y ago
  Using Tree Style Tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
- arboles 4y ago
  I prefer sidebery because it's cleaner than TST OOTB https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    sidebery also has very lovely tab grouping and tab sleeping (unloads the tabs from memory). This is nice because you can take all your tabs for a research project, condense them to a group and then nap them until you come back to the project.
    - arboles 4y ago
      > tab grouping and tab sleeping Oh yes I forgot TST doesn't have that since I haven't used it in so long. Keeping groups of unloaded tabs might not be healthy for me, enables my tab hoarding habit.
reaperducer 4y ago
Just... give Firefox a shot people I did. But the Firefox UI is still very Windows-centric, and doesn't feel like a real Mac program at all. But the big reason I don't use it is that you can't define how to switch from tab to tab. Every program on my Mac from Safari to Nova to VS Codium to my database manager allows me to switch tabs with the standard macOS Keyboard Shortcuts settings. So I use the same keys to switch tabs in every program on my Mac. Which is part of the whole Mac experience — Things happening the same way between apps. Even the Finder, and the DuckDuckGo browser allow this. Not so with Firefox. The simple addition of "Show Next Tab" and "Show Previous Tab" in the drop-down menus would fix this. It's so simple. So elementary. So basic to every other Mac program I use that its absence in Firefox is glaring. I'm not going to rearrange the muscle memory I use all day every day for one program.
- drcongo 4y ago
  That's absolutely baffling, I had no idea. I've been lucky in that my muscle-memory-trained tab switch shortcut is the one that Firefox uses (Cmd+Option+arrows) and I apply that to every other app on Mac.
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sound1 4y ago
the parent should be at the top of the page imho
- wereallterrrist 4y ago
  It's +43 and seemingly pinned to the bottom of the page. But I know where I am :P.

I tried it on mobile and it's interesting that quite a lot of websites are broken. Many tapping workflows I had in Chrome on Android are fully broken in Firefox. From simple deepl.com to Google products that look like they dropped FF support. Even Reddit on Firefox PC crashes occasionally (the whole site turns white while browsing). Reddit on FF on Android is barely browsable.

rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
I haven't encountered any issue with Firefox for Android for years. Here's how you can fix this all at once: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/g3tyfu/how_to_switch_user_agents_on_firefox_preview/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/g3tyfu/how_to_swit... Google is intentionally breaking support for Firefox on their websites. Other just don't care and support monopolies.
- vjerancrnjak 4y ago
  Thanks, interesting, I'll try it out. I know I convinced my wife to switch to Firefox for Android (for uBlock) and she was complaining even more than I about all of her browsing workflows being crippled. Compared to her I rarely use my phone for browsing, I do not feel as impacted.
- dijit 4y ago
  Firefox does seem to be untested for a lot of websites. You can't do video calls with Teams in firefox for a really clear and obvious example, but I encounter breakages quite often and have to switch back to Chrome. Safari suffers the same, but I get the impression people are testing safari more than Chrome.. but I hear so many complaints on hackernews about safari, I suspect at some point Chrome penetration will finally dislodge Safari on MacOS... or if MacOS market share goes down: then it's over and we have a total monopoly.
  - kbrosnan 4y ago
    Teams should be working in Firefox around now. https://www.onmsft.com/news/teams-meetings-set-to-support-2x2-gallery-view-for-firefox-users https://www.onmsft.com/news/teams-meetings-set-to-support-2x...

sphars 4y ago

Just downloaded FF this week and started using it as my primary browser as I start to transition from Chromium-based browsers. May I ask what you did to configure your browser that way (extensions/settings)? I like the look of it, and looking for ways to customize my setup.

boplicity 4y ago
Tree Style Tabs are nice. I also have it set up so the URL bar doesn't include search -- and the search bar is separate. This makes it easier to get to the right place by starting to type a url in the url bar. I often just type one letter and then press enter, and voila, I'm where I want to be. It "learns" over time what you're typing in. Also, of course, you should install uBlock Origin.
owaislone 4y ago
Also try sideberry. I moved to it from TST and like it so far.
lioeters 4y ago
uBlock Origin Sidebery QuickCut SingleFile Popup window Firefox Multi-Account Containers Copy All Tab Urls
- heresie-dabord 4y ago
  Also: Privacy Badger Duck Duck Go Privacy Essentials Privacy Possum

pxoe 4y ago

firefox is overstuffed. minimal browser it is not.

RussianCow 4y ago
Can you explain? What is it "overstuffed" with?
- daneel_w 4y ago
  Nobody really knows. Firefox is 350 MiB in size. The Windows XP SP3 install CD is 310 MiB in size.
  - RussianCow 4y ago
    The Arch Linux Firefox package weighs in at 237.8 MB installed.[0] Meanwhile, Chromium is 20% larger at 285.8 MB.[1] Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium. Also, that's not a useful comparison because web browsers are basically operating systems now, with how complex they are. Not to mention that Windows XP was released over two decades ago. So, again, I'm not sure what your point is. [0]: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/firefox/ https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/firefox/ [1]: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/ https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/
    - daneel_w 4y ago
      > "Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium." Safari was 40-something MiB installed a few macOS versions ago before parts of it were migrated out of the app to become protected system libraries. The reason the others you checked are of the same size is because they are forks of the same two browsers. Add.: I just have to disagree with the notion that browsers are "basically" operating systems because of how complex they are. They really are not. Not by a longshot. Neither do they contain the fundamentals of an operating system, nor do they contain the upper reaches of them. We can pretend they are operating system facsimiles by doing a lot of impressive and fun stuff in JavaScript and WASM, but this isn't the same thing. The complexity of an operating system, even a simplified one, is of a completely different sort and depth. This comparison only fits the sarcastic intention people have when making the comparison - we can joke about it, because of how absurdly large and tangled browsers have become.

BigElephant 4y ago

How do you get vertical tabs?

mcny 4y ago
I believe the meta is to use tree style tabs warning: is for advanced users https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
aembleton 4y ago
Using Tree Style Tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
arboles 4y ago
I prefer sidebery because it's cleaner than TST OOTB https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  sidebery also has very lovely tab grouping and tab sleeping (unloads the tabs from memory). This is nice because you can take all your tabs for a research project, condense them to a group and then nap them until you come back to the project.
  - arboles 4y ago
    > tab grouping and tab sleeping Oh yes I forgot TST doesn't have that since I haven't used it in so long. Keeping groups of unloaded tabs might not be healthy for me, enables my tab hoarding habit.

reaperducer 4y ago

Just... give Firefox a shot people I did. But the Firefox UI is still very Windows-centric, and doesn't feel like a real Mac program at all. But the big reason I don't use it is that you can't define how to switch from tab to tab. Every program on my Mac from Safari to Nova to VS Codium to my database manager allows me to switch tabs with the standard macOS Keyboard Shortcuts settings. So I use the same keys to switch tabs in every program on my Mac. Which is part of the whole Mac experience — Things happening the same way between apps. Even the Finder, and the DuckDuckGo browser allow this. Not so with Firefox. The simple addition of "Show Next Tab" and "Show Previous Tab" in the drop-down menus would fix this. It's so simple. So elementary. So basic to every other Mac program I use that its absence in Firefox is glaring. I'm not going to rearrange the muscle memory I use all day every day for one program.

drcongo 4y ago
That's absolutely baffling, I had no idea. I've been lucky in that my muscle-memory-trained tab switch shortcut is the one that Firefox uses (Cmd+Option+arrows) and I apply that to every other app on Mac.

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sound1 4y ago

the parent should be at the top of the page imho

wereallterrrist 4y ago
It's +43 and seemingly pinned to the bottom of the page. But I know where I am :P.