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And thinking like this is the very reason not to. Electron apps are there to help the developer not the user. No one ever said “I would really love to have a

And thinking like this is the very reason not to. Electron apps are there to help the developer not the user. No one ever said “I would really love to have a battery draining, more CPU intensive slower web app than a native app”

wiseowise 4y ago
If it was as bad as you describe, then market will decide what to do with them. > No one ever said “I would really love to have a battery draining, more CPU intensive slower web app than a native app” No one ever said "I want to pay 1,5k euro for a phone that has the limitations of a feature phone from 20 years ago". Go on, tell me how blocking me from loading proper browser benefits me because of some performance boogieman that you have in your imagination.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > then market will decide what to do with them. Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox > for a phone that has the limitations of a feature phone from 20 years ago Tell me you never used a feature phone from 20 years ago without telling me this.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox Electron apps compete with native apps, what does this even have to do with browser engines? > Tell me you never used a feature phone from 20 years ago without telling me this. ???
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > Electron apps compete with native apps, what does this even have to do with browser engines? What do you think Electron apps are based on? > ??? You can't in all seriousness day that iPhone of the day is as limited as feature phones of 20 years ago.
      - wiseowise 4y ago
        > What do you think Electron apps are based on? It’s irrelevant on what they’re based on. I was replying to Web vs Native comment, not monopoly of one browser engine. > You can't in all seriousness day that iPhone of the day is as limited as feature phones of 20 years ago. You’re right, those were more open than iPhones. Just open directory and drop file to install application.
  - blacksmith_tb 4y ago
    Isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Clearly no one on iOS is using the real FF now, presumably at least more would if they had the chance. I assume we'd even get some takers for Safari on Android (though I am happy w/ FF + extensions there personally).
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > Isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Clearly no one on iOS is using the real FF now The market is much larger than just iOS. > I assume we'd even get some takers for Safari on Android And what do you imagine the share of FF is on Android (vs. what it actually is)?
      - blacksmith_tb 4y ago
        Yes, it is larger than iOS (which is why I mentioned Safari on Android as a counterexample), but then Android users can already install Blink or Gecko-based browsers, unlike iOS users? As for what I imagine, that's a cheerfully unpleasant way to phrase that, I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range (but it's still far superior to Chrome or even Brave/Vivaldi/Opera due to its support for extensions, most users don't know what they're missing).
        dmitriid 4y ago
        > I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range So. Back to my statement of fact: Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox. There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop.
        wiseowise 4y ago
        > There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop. It is relevant to those people. And you’re focusing too much on percentages, we’re talking about 150 MILLIONS people worldwide. https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share
- scarface74 4y ago
  Well actually enough people have decided that to make Apple the most valuable company in the world? Most people don’t care about the inability to have alternative browser engines.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > Most people don’t care about the inability to have alternative browser engines. And you know that how? Or are you retired Microsoft manager? “Most people don’t care about anything but IE?”

wiseowise 4y ago

If it was as bad as you describe, then market will decide what to do with them. > No one ever said “I would really love to have a battery draining, more CPU intensive slower web app than a native app” No one ever said "I want to pay 1,5k euro for a phone that has the limitations of a feature phone from 20 years ago". Go on, tell me how blocking me from loading proper browser benefits me because of some performance boogieman that you have in your imagination.

dmitriid 4y ago
> then market will decide what to do with them. Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox > for a phone that has the limitations of a feature phone from 20 years ago Tell me you never used a feature phone from 20 years ago without telling me this.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox Electron apps compete with native apps, what does this even have to do with browser engines? > Tell me you never used a feature phone from 20 years ago without telling me this. ???
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > Electron apps compete with native apps, what does this even have to do with browser engines? What do you think Electron apps are based on? > ??? You can't in all seriousness day that iPhone of the day is as limited as feature phones of 20 years ago.
    - wiseowise 4y ago
      > What do you think Electron apps are based on? It’s irrelevant on what they’re based on. I was replying to Web vs Native comment, not monopoly of one browser engine. > You can't in all seriousness day that iPhone of the day is as limited as feature phones of 20 years ago. You’re right, those were more open than iPhones. Just open directory and drop file to install application.
- blacksmith_tb 4y ago
  Isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Clearly no one on iOS is using the real FF now, presumably at least more would if they had the chance. I assume we'd even get some takers for Safari on Android (though I am happy w/ FF + extensions there personally).
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > Isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Clearly no one on iOS is using the real FF now The market is much larger than just iOS. > I assume we'd even get some takers for Safari on Android And what do you imagine the share of FF is on Android (vs. what it actually is)?
    - blacksmith_tb 4y ago
      Yes, it is larger than iOS (which is why I mentioned Safari on Android as a counterexample), but then Android users can already install Blink or Gecko-based browsers, unlike iOS users? As for what I imagine, that's a cheerfully unpleasant way to phrase that, I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range (but it's still far superior to Chrome or even Brave/Vivaldi/Opera due to its support for extensions, most users don't know what they're missing).
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        > I'd be surprised if FF-on-Android was more than 2%, likely it's in the 0.5% to 1% range So. Back to my statement of fact: Which market? There are no browser engines beyond Chrome, a very distant Safari, and a near-irrelevant Firefox. There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop.
        wiseowise 4y ago
        > There's no self-fullfilling prophecy. If FF or any other browser was in any way, shape or form relevant, it would be more than 1-2% on Android and 3% on desktop. It is relevant to those people. And you’re focusing too much on percentages, we’re talking about 150 MILLIONS people worldwide. https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share
scarface74 4y ago
Well actually enough people have decided that to make Apple the most valuable company in the world? Most people don’t care about the inability to have alternative browser engines.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > Most people don’t care about the inability to have alternative browser engines. And you know that how? Or are you retired Microsoft manager? “Most people don’t care about anything but IE?”