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The thing is that people are cherrypicking quotes and dropping conclusions without any regard for the facts on the ground. Right now, you conclude that this wa

by fleddr 4y ago

The thing is that people are cherrypicking quotes and dropping conclusions without any regard for the facts on the ground. Right now, you conclude that this was a personal vengeance by Musk himself. Whilst this conclusion isn't verified at all. We don't know why the suspension is there. It's in fact unlikely a personal action as Musk has reinstated some of his biggest enemies before. The "free speech absolutist" quote is bullshit. It's a random interview quote taken out of context, that never applied to running Twitter. You can be a free speech absolutist as a person whilst not applying this to Twitter. For the simple reason that you can't. It doesn't work with advertisers and is downright illegal in some jurisdictions, like the EU. Musk has readily admitted that and aims to "piss off both political extremes equally" whilst "elevating the silent 80%".

ceejayoz 4y ago
> It's in fact unlikely a personal action as Musk has reinstated some of his biggest enemies before. He's also refused to do so based on personal feelings. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/21/tech/alex-jones-twitter-ban/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/21/tech/alex-jones-twitter-ban/ > Musk has readily admitted that and aims to "piss off both political extremes equally" whilst "elevating the silent 80%". Sure. He's also claimed "funding secured" to bring Tesla private before, which was found in court to be a lie. I'm not sure why you'd take his statements at face value.
- fleddr 4y ago
  Funny you say that, as you yourself take an earlier quote about free speech at face value and then re-apply it wherever it is convenient and makes the narrative work. The next thing you do is to make him guilty by association. Something was done before (in a different context with different circumstances) hence that is evidence that this case is exactly the same. Which too is speculation and narrative. Eternal damnation is also a way to build narrative. It's all narrative and zero facts. I never said that I take his statement at face value. I said that I would refrain from judgement until the reason for the suspension is given. Which is very basic human courtesy.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > you yourself take an earlier quote about free speech at face value No; I knew he wouldn't actually do that. Its value is to demonstrate the hypocrisy of Musk's approach so far. > The next thing you do is to make him guilty by association. With whom did I associate him? > I said that I would refrain from judgement until the reason for the suspension is given. Which is very basic human courtesy. The more times someone lies to you, the less you should "refrain from judgement" on new claims.
  - Volundr 4y ago
    > I said that I would refrain from judgement until the reason for the suspension is given. And if it's never given? Are we to just refrain from judgement forever? This line is pretty commonly used to cover for "let's just stop talking about it until it's old news"

by fleddr 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago

> It's in fact unlikely a personal action as Musk has reinstated some of his biggest enemies before. He's also refused to do so based on personal feelings. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/21/tech/alex-jones-twitter-ban/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/21/tech/alex-jones-twitter-ban/ > Musk has readily admitted that and aims to "piss off both political extremes equally" whilst "elevating the silent 80%". Sure. He's also claimed "funding secured" to bring Tesla private before, which was found in court to be a lie. I'm not sure why you'd take his statements at face value.

fleddr 4y ago
Funny you say that, as you yourself take an earlier quote about free speech at face value and then re-apply it wherever it is convenient and makes the narrative work. The next thing you do is to make him guilty by association. Something was done before (in a different context with different circumstances) hence that is evidence that this case is exactly the same. Which too is speculation and narrative. Eternal damnation is also a way to build narrative. It's all narrative and zero facts. I never said that I take his statement at face value. I said that I would refrain from judgement until the reason for the suspension is given. Which is very basic human courtesy.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > you yourself take an earlier quote about free speech at face value No; I knew he wouldn't actually do that. Its value is to demonstrate the hypocrisy of Musk's approach so far. > The next thing you do is to make him guilty by association. With whom did I associate him? > I said that I would refrain from judgement until the reason for the suspension is given. Which is very basic human courtesy. The more times someone lies to you, the less you should "refrain from judgement" on new claims.
- Volundr 4y ago
  > I said that I would refrain from judgement until the reason for the suspension is given. And if it's never given? Are we to just refrain from judgement forever? This line is pretty commonly used to cover for "let's just stop talking about it until it's old news"