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Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's

Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. No one is going to pay you to complain.

johnchristopher 4y ago
> Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is so effing stupid to read. You don't innovate to reduce costs and time prep to squeeze out more time out of people so they can work 3 jobs instead of 2 to pay for microwaved food, that's not the end game. > This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. No, you are a smart ass because you are riding the personal responsibility trope to ignore fuck tons of external and internal reasons for why people are not robots and don't follow the perfect diet and lifestyle recipes. That's a simplistic nickelodeon outlook that helps no one. One day you'll bump into a wall and maybe you'll realize your belief that your mind is free and your body a dumb machine to program to overcome anything is bullshit, like your stance that "we are all free so everything is our fault and anyone can do anything if only they apply themselves" is bullshit as well. > You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. What a stupid and empty edge lord counter argument is this ? Too busy working on climate change at the moment [0] if you want to know it all. > No one is going to pay you to complain. If you could stop complaining about "people's excuses" as well that'd be even better. [0] For real. And big food industries is part of this problem and we are trying to tackle it at work. edit: dammit, I'll even play along: > Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. What makes you think faster to cook or even healthier food can beat billions of €/$ poured in advertising and marketing at scale ? It's not working, that's the reality, that's the facts, this is the environment your purely intellectual vision of the problem doesn't want to account for. Because it's easier to say "people are free so it's their fault" than admit "hey... that world is surprisingly hard to model and predict and understand, lots of things going on and parameters interacting with each other here...".
- algoatecorn 4y ago
  >This is so effing stupid to read. You don't innovate to reduce costs and time prep to squeeze out more time out of people so they can work 3 jobs instead of 2 to pay for microwaved food, that's not the end game. Maybe if you used a sliver of creativity you could think of a solution that doesn't result in this outcome. This is false dichotomy. I'm not saying this is end game. >No, you are a smart ass because you are riding the personal responsibility trope to ignore fuck tons of external and internal reasons for why people are not robots and don't follow the perfect diet and lifestyle recipes. That's a simplistic nickelodeon outlook that helps no one. >One day you'll bump into a wall and maybe you'll realize your belief that your mind is free and your body a dumb machine to program to overcome anything is bullshit, like your stance that "we are all free so everything is our fault and anyone can do anything if only they apply themselves" is bullshit as well. I'll reiterate that yes, it does come down to personal responsibility. Also a fallacious argument since you don't have to follow a perfect diet and lifestyle to achieve mostly optimal outcomes. Promoting the idea that we don't have personal sovereignty is insidious and wrong. >Too busy working on climate change at the moment [0] if you want to know it all. Food systems account for 1/3 of global emissions. You act like there is some moral superiority tied to your own work while ignoring the low hanging fruit of food systems in climate change mitigation. >If you could stop complaining about "people's excuses" as well that'd be even better. I'm not complaining. I'm pointing out erroneous narratives and harmful mindsets. >What makes you think faster to cook or even healthier food can beat billions of €/$ poured in advertising and marketing at scale ? It's not working, that's the reality, that's the facts, this is the environment your purely intellectual vision of the problem doesn't want to account for. >Because it's easier to say "people are free so it's their fault" than admit "hey... that world is surprisingly hard to model and predict and understand, lots of things going on and parameters interacting with each other here...". The same was said about transitioning away from fossil fuels and going against the billions of dollars poured into climate denial. Change will come. Maybe you should extend the scope of your imagination to entertain a better food system instead of rolling over. But you'll keep believing what you believe, and that's fine. Keep resorting to edge cases to defend your claims, and accept that big food will maintain its grip on your free will. I'll still be here actually doing things that make a difference, not caving to the complexity of models, and maintaining ownership of my decisions. Have a good day.

johnchristopher 4y ago

> Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is so effing stupid to read. You don't innovate to reduce costs and time prep to squeeze out more time out of people so they can work 3 jobs instead of 2 to pay for microwaved food, that's not the end game. > This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. No, you are a smart ass because you are riding the personal responsibility trope to ignore fuck tons of external and internal reasons for why people are not robots and don't follow the perfect diet and lifestyle recipes. That's a simplistic nickelodeon outlook that helps no one. One day you'll bump into a wall and maybe you'll realize your belief that your mind is free and your body a dumb machine to program to overcome anything is bullshit, like your stance that "we are all free so everything is our fault and anyone can do anything if only they apply themselves" is bullshit as well. > You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. What a stupid and empty edge lord counter argument is this ? Too busy working on climate change at the moment [0] if you want to know it all. > No one is going to pay you to complain. If you could stop complaining about "people's excuses" as well that'd be even better. [0] For real. And big food industries is part of this problem and we are trying to tackle it at work. edit: dammit, I'll even play along: > Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. What makes you think faster to cook or even healthier food can beat billions of €/$ poured in advertising and marketing at scale ? It's not working, that's the reality, that's the facts, this is the environment your purely intellectual vision of the problem doesn't want to account for. Because it's easier to say "people are free so it's their fault" than admit "hey... that world is surprisingly hard to model and predict and understand, lots of things going on and parameters interacting with each other here...".

algoatecorn 4y ago
>This is so effing stupid to read. You don't innovate to reduce costs and time prep to squeeze out more time out of people so they can work 3 jobs instead of 2 to pay for microwaved food, that's not the end game. Maybe if you used a sliver of creativity you could think of a solution that doesn't result in this outcome. This is false dichotomy. I'm not saying this is end game. >No, you are a smart ass because you are riding the personal responsibility trope to ignore fuck tons of external and internal reasons for why people are not robots and don't follow the perfect diet and lifestyle recipes. That's a simplistic nickelodeon outlook that helps no one. >One day you'll bump into a wall and maybe you'll realize your belief that your mind is free and your body a dumb machine to program to overcome anything is bullshit, like your stance that "we are all free so everything is our fault and anyone can do anything if only they apply themselves" is bullshit as well. I'll reiterate that yes, it does come down to personal responsibility. Also a fallacious argument since you don't have to follow a perfect diet and lifestyle to achieve mostly optimal outcomes. Promoting the idea that we don't have personal sovereignty is insidious and wrong. >Too busy working on climate change at the moment [0] if you want to know it all. Food systems account for 1/3 of global emissions. You act like there is some moral superiority tied to your own work while ignoring the low hanging fruit of food systems in climate change mitigation. >If you could stop complaining about "people's excuses" as well that'd be even better. I'm not complaining. I'm pointing out erroneous narratives and harmful mindsets. >What makes you think faster to cook or even healthier food can beat billions of €/$ poured in advertising and marketing at scale ? It's not working, that's the reality, that's the facts, this is the environment your purely intellectual vision of the problem doesn't want to account for. >Because it's easier to say "people are free so it's their fault" than admit "hey... that world is surprisingly hard to model and predict and understand, lots of things going on and parameters interacting with each other here...". The same was said about transitioning away from fossil fuels and going against the billions of dollars poured into climate denial. Change will come. Maybe you should extend the scope of your imagination to entertain a better food system instead of rolling over. But you'll keep believing what you believe, and that's fine. Keep resorting to edge cases to defend your claims, and accept that big food will maintain its grip on your free will. I'll still be here actually doing things that make a difference, not caving to the complexity of models, and maintaining ownership of my decisions. Have a good day.