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Lots. Let"s start with the US, who got ahead thanks to it's revolutionary form of government, constitution, and visionary citizens. I do expect to get downvote

Lots. Let"s start with the US, who got ahead thanks to it's revolutionary form of government, constitution, and visionary citizens. I do expect to get downvoted by US haters.

kjeetgill 4y ago
I'm not a US hater at all and agree with everything you've listed ... And a lot of thievery, broken treaties, and cheating too. How that makes you feel about the US — or about thievery's morality and place in history — is an exercise left to the reader. But I think that's a fair read of the history.
medvezhenok 4y ago
Let's not also forget the expropriation of land from the natives and slavery... They also "steal" ideas by importing foreign well educated citizens by using money that was partially sourced via exploitation in the first place. The main thing that allowed American innovation is the fact that they are not under threat of a land or sea invasion due to the geography. This always gave them an advantage of being able to think long-term without being worried about war destroying their efforts. Don't get me wrong - I am an immigrant to the U.S., and the U.S. is a great and successful country with many opportunities for all. The three things you mention certainly play a role in its success, but they're not the only factors by far.
xiphias2 4y ago
I was refering to US as a great example of a country starting with lots of IP theft then closing the door behind them by making it illegal and pushing the updated IP rights on other countries. I'm not a US hater at all, I think it's an amazing country, but it's also a great example of how to build one. https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_theft_is_what_once_helped_make_america_great_103367.html https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_thef...
- YLE118 4y ago
  Samuel slater is exactly who I was thinking of, I didn't know the Lowell story but it looks like I should do some reading about it. From that link it seems like they were involved in stealing ideas for similar machines with the difference being the amount of intervention required to operate them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater
g8oz 4y ago
An interesting data point - the US government invalidated German patents in WW1 and that was the start of the American chemical industry. No one counts that as an outrage but it was IP theft plain and simple.
- riku_iki 4y ago
  And initiating of war is murder conspiracy?

Lots. Let"s start with the US, who got ahead thanks to it's revolutionary form of government, constitution, and visionary citizens. I do expect to get downvoted by US haters.

kjeetgill 4y ago

I'm not a US hater at all and agree with everything you've listed ... And a lot of thievery, broken treaties, and cheating too. How that makes you feel about the US — or about thievery's morality and place in history — is an exercise left to the reader. But I think that's a fair read of the history.

medvezhenok 4y ago

Let's not also forget the expropriation of land from the natives and slavery... They also "steal" ideas by importing foreign well educated citizens by using money that was partially sourced via exploitation in the first place. The main thing that allowed American innovation is the fact that they are not under threat of a land or sea invasion due to the geography. This always gave them an advantage of being able to think long-term without being worried about war destroying their efforts. Don't get me wrong - I am an immigrant to the U.S., and the U.S. is a great and successful country with many opportunities for all. The three things you mention certainly play a role in its success, but they're not the only factors by far.

xiphias2 4y ago

I was refering to US as a great example of a country starting with lots of IP theft then closing the door behind them by making it illegal and pushing the updated IP rights on other countries. I'm not a US hater at all, I think it's an amazing country, but it's also a great example of how to build one. https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_theft_is_what_once_helped_make_america_great_103367.html https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_thef...

YLE118 4y ago
Samuel slater is exactly who I was thinking of, I didn't know the Lowell story but it looks like I should do some reading about it. From that link it seems like they were involved in stealing ideas for similar machines with the difference being the amount of intervention required to operate them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

g8oz 4y ago

An interesting data point - the US government invalidated German patents in WW1 and that was the start of the American chemical industry. No one counts that as an outrage but it was IP theft plain and simple.

riku_iki 4y ago
And initiating of war is murder conspiracy?