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Kid is not expressing any idea. He's just promoting geo-stalking/gps tracking Elon. But he can still do it on Mastodon so his rights are not curtailed.

mcphage 4y ago
> his rights are not curtailed Nobody is saying that they are. They are saying, however, that this is a serious about-face from what Elon has claimed in the past. He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since.
- wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
  How is this different then doxing?
  - nraynaud 4y ago
    Because airports have a giant security ring around airplanes, so you can’t physically get close to him with this information. And it’s transient, so you can’t lurk and wait to strike. It’s like a comedian doing a planned show.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Plus, the tracking is on Elon's jet, not Elon as a person. So nothing is preventing Elon from sending his jet to NY, while flying, charter or first class, to Miami.
    - nailer 4y ago
      A stalker could easily watch the exit for the suites (where private jets go from) at the airport.
      - nraynaud 4y ago
        not different from a celebrity doing a planned appearance
        nailer 4y ago
        People's personal movements are not promotional activities.
        nraynaud 4y ago
        this is not tracking Elon Musk personal movements, this is tracking 3 corporate airplanes owned by Space X. There is some overlap, but it's the same as loitering in front of one of his companies HQ might help you find him.
        nailer 4y ago
        It’s literally called Muskjet. The purpose is to track an individual. Loitering in front of his company’s HQ would also be stalkerish.
        mcphage 4y ago
        I wonder what changed for him since last month when he explicitly said he wasn't going to ban @elonjet.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        A stalker doesn't need @elonjet. They can just go to https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/.
  - wolrah 4y ago
    > How is this different then doxing? Because it's public information that's literally broadcast to anyone listening by every aircraft above a certain size/speed. This isn't information that is considered secret or even that one needs to dig to expose, the aircraft is actively transmitting regular messages containing its location, heading, and speed to anyone within radio range which can be tens or hundreds of miles depending on altitude.
  - kevinmchugh 4y ago
    Many types of doxing are free speech
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  > He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since. Rather like Keir Starmer and the UK Labour Party.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    Sorry, I'm a dumb American and don't understand this joke.
    - swores 4y ago
      It's not a joke, just an irrelevant (though accurate) comparison that doesn't belong in this thread. Starmer is leader of the opposition party in the UK, he was elected leader by Labour party members after making ten pledges, all quite socialist / left wing, but since becoming leader he's basically reversed every previous position he's claimed to have and is now taking centrist and even right of centre positions - upsetting many who voted for him (while others, though not me, say it's needed to attract more center/right votes in the next election).
      - denton-scratch 4y ago
        It was sort of a joke - a wry aside that's true, and was meant to make the right kind of people smile. And you're quite right, it doesn't belong in this thread. Sorry.
    - atchoo 4y ago
      Not a joke sadly. The Labour membership is quite left wing (understandably) so Starmer's leadership campaign was structured around 10 left wing pledges, promises about nationalisation, the EU, unity and continuation of the 2017 Corbyn era manifesto. He has since abandoned the majority of pledges, waged an illicit war against left-wing candidates, kicked the previous leader out of parlimentary party, appointed a centre-right front bench and frequently says appalling anti-union, anti-migrant and authoritarian crap. He is one the most dishonest politicians in the UK but given a free pass by the press because punching left is celebrated by our media class and never considered a fault.
techdragon 4y ago
I can still bookmark Elon’s plane on FlightRadar or ADSBExchange… this doesn’t stop anyone “geo-stalking” … it just stopped one guy tweeting it. Oh and also hurt Elon’s free speech debate credibility.

mcphage 4y ago

> his rights are not curtailed Nobody is saying that they are. They are saying, however, that this is a serious about-face from what Elon has claimed in the past. He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since.

wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
How is this different then doxing?
- nraynaud 4y ago
  Because airports have a giant security ring around airplanes, so you can’t physically get close to him with this information. And it’s transient, so you can’t lurk and wait to strike. It’s like a comedian doing a planned show.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Plus, the tracking is on Elon's jet, not Elon as a person. So nothing is preventing Elon from sending his jet to NY, while flying, charter or first class, to Miami.
  - nailer 4y ago
    A stalker could easily watch the exit for the suites (where private jets go from) at the airport.
    - nraynaud 4y ago
      not different from a celebrity doing a planned appearance
      - nailer 4y ago
        People's personal movements are not promotional activities.
        nraynaud 4y ago
        this is not tracking Elon Musk personal movements, this is tracking 3 corporate airplanes owned by Space X. There is some overlap, but it's the same as loitering in front of one of his companies HQ might help you find him.
        nailer 4y ago
        It’s literally called Muskjet. The purpose is to track an individual. Loitering in front of his company’s HQ would also be stalkerish.
        mcphage 4y ago
        I wonder what changed for him since last month when he explicitly said he wasn't going to ban @elonjet.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      A stalker doesn't need @elonjet. They can just go to https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/.
- wolrah 4y ago
  > How is this different then doxing? Because it's public information that's literally broadcast to anyone listening by every aircraft above a certain size/speed. This isn't information that is considered secret or even that one needs to dig to expose, the aircraft is actively transmitting regular messages containing its location, heading, and speed to anyone within radio range which can be tens or hundreds of miles depending on altitude.
- kevinmchugh 4y ago
  Many types of doxing are free speech
denton-scratch 4y ago
> He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since. Rather like Keir Starmer and the UK Labour Party.
- mcphage 4y ago
  Sorry, I'm a dumb American and don't understand this joke.
  - swores 4y ago
    It's not a joke, just an irrelevant (though accurate) comparison that doesn't belong in this thread. Starmer is leader of the opposition party in the UK, he was elected leader by Labour party members after making ten pledges, all quite socialist / left wing, but since becoming leader he's basically reversed every previous position he's claimed to have and is now taking centrist and even right of centre positions - upsetting many who voted for him (while others, though not me, say it's needed to attract more center/right votes in the next election).
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      It was sort of a joke - a wry aside that's true, and was meant to make the right kind of people smile. And you're quite right, it doesn't belong in this thread. Sorry.
  - atchoo 4y ago
    Not a joke sadly. The Labour membership is quite left wing (understandably) so Starmer's leadership campaign was structured around 10 left wing pledges, promises about nationalisation, the EU, unity and continuation of the 2017 Corbyn era manifesto. He has since abandoned the majority of pledges, waged an illicit war against left-wing candidates, kicked the previous leader out of parlimentary party, appointed a centre-right front bench and frequently says appalling anti-union, anti-migrant and authoritarian crap. He is one the most dishonest politicians in the UK but given a free pass by the press because punching left is celebrated by our media class and never considered a fault.

techdragon 4y ago

I can still bookmark Elon’s plane on FlightRadar or ADSBExchange… this doesn’t stop anyone “geo-stalking” … it just stopped one guy tweeting it. Oh and also hurt Elon’s free speech debate credibility.